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| Quote: cosmicat "Have York court ever said yes were going to revamp bv'"
Clearly not
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I might be wrong here but I'm not sure it's fair to have a dig about Cas. We have got exactly the same as them as far as the developer and local authority is concerned
There may be some (substantial) funding going into the Glasshoughton development, due to the Country Park element etc
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| Quote: Prince Buster "You're joking surely !!! The council have a duty regarding 106 benefits in that they must ensure they go to community projects and not to private individuals or companies. In the case of Castleford Tigesr RLFC they are a private company and are being gifted for £1 a £13 M stadium. Legal or not, I'll leave that one to you.
Private companies don't go around giving each other gifts, who do you think put the pressure on behind the scenes to facilitate this ?'"
Unless my memory fails me, weren't both clubs offered money way back then, and the difference is that Cas did have someone willing to put up the rest of the funding. I don't live in Wakefield and get up to date on here so I accept there will be stuff of which I'm unaware. As I read it, both clubs have got permission to build stadia. We just haven't got the wonga.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "There may be some (substantial) funding going into the Glasshoughton development, due to the Country Park element etc'"
Don't think there is any funding to create a country park, thats the Developers cost. In addition the Developer has to pay a dowry of £2,000,000 to the Land Trust for the ongoing management and maintenance of the counry park.
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| Quote: bentleberry "Reading the news it looks like their deal may also be on rocky ground as the supermarket which had agreed to take the main plot has pulled out. They still have the other retail units, but if they're not profitable enough then the work won't go ahead. They also have a better agreement seemingly due to the council realising their failings with Newmarket development.'"
Incorrect.
Lateral looked to revise the original planning consent because the retail market has changed and food operators are no longer looking to build large supermarkets.
As a result, they submitted a new application a few months back to convert the original floorspace earmarked for the supermarket into additional retail floor space. This was passed by WMDC at the end of September and has since been sent back by the SOS to ratify without being called in.
The application was supported with a letter by Cushman and Wakefield, acting on behalf of Lateral in securing funding for the whole project. They are in talks with a major pension fund and are close to an agreement but it was conditional on the planning consent being changed to the revised application with specific floor sizes. As this has now been passed, it will provide assurances to those major funding providers. Nothing is ever guaranteed but Cushman and Wakefield seem pretty confident of getting it over the line before Christmas.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Unless my memory fails me, weren't both clubs offered money way back then, and the difference is that Cas did have someone willing to put up the rest of the funding. I don't live in Wakefield and get up to date on here so I accept there will be stuff of which I'm unaware. As I read it, both clubs have got permission to build stadia. We just haven't got the wonga.'"
Both clubs were offered money towards a new stadium but this was rescinded a while back. The Council is contributing nothing towards the new Cas ground.
It is all being privately funded. Not sure whether Wakey will have access to any money to redevelop BV or towards Newmarket but I'd hazard probably not.
As for the latter part of your post, largely right. I guess your funding was always conditional on the units being built for YC to pay and once they had proof of some funds, that would allow the Trust to apply for grants. I don't see any reason why YC couldn't follow Lateral's route in looking to get a funding partner for the site. Perhaps TRB or SC could advise if this has been pursued as an option or not? And any reasons as to why it isn't a viable option?
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| Quote: Fully "Both clubs were offered money towards a new stadium but this was rescinded a while back. The Council is contributing nothing towards the new Cas ground.
It is all being privately funded. Not sure whether Wakey will have access to any money to redevelop BV or towards Newmarket but I'd hazard probably not.
As for the latter part of your post, largely right. I guess your funding was always conditional on the units being built for YC to pay and once they had proof of some funds, that would allow the Trust to apply for grants. I don't see any reason why YC couldn't follow Lateral's route in looking to get a funding partner for the site. Perhaps TRB or SC could advise if this has been pursued as an option or not? And any reasons as to why it isn't a viable option?'"
I'm guessing the difference is that Lateral are willing to fund the ground and comply with their perceived planning obligations, whereas Yorkcourt are seeking to do exactly the opposite.
My original points still stands, that nothing extra has been done for Cas. The council support the development and have granted planning. What has been done has put both clubs in the same position. The difference with Wakey is that there is a lack of enthusiasm to force Yorkcourt to do what Lateral appear to be doing for Cas.
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| Quote: Fully "Both clubs were offered money towards a new stadium but this was rescinded a while back. The Council is contributing nothing towards the new Cas ground.
It is all being privately funded. Not sure whether Wakey will have access to any money to redevelop BV or towards Newmarket but I'd hazard probably not.
As for the latter part of your post, largely right. I guess your funding was always conditional on the units being built for YC to pay and once they had proof of some funds, that would allow the Trust to apply for grants. I don't see any reason why YC couldn't follow Lateral's route in looking to get a funding partner for the site. Perhaps TRB or SC could advise if this has been pursued as an option or not? And any reasons as to why it isn't a viable option?'"
My suggestion to you would be not to try and involve yourself in Wakefields stadium. Your belief that a developer just turns up and gives a RL club a stadium without the councils involvement is quite frankly astounding! This deal has been brokered by WMDC, no doubt, although they will deny it to the hilt and there will be no minutes of any meetings that took place.
Through this process I have learned much about the workings of council, and I don't care for it tbh, but that may be as a result of the double standards on show, both in relation towards our stadium and the developer - for whom they have more care for than us - and in relation to the differences between our situation and that of Cas.
I genuinely wish to seethe Cas venture come to fruition, but I strongly lament the failure to turn a genuine opportunity for a Community Stadium, and all that that could have been, into reality for the people of Wakefield and it's surrounds.
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| Quote: TRB "Totally not true! Rodders controls things completely!
David Hinchliffe is a Trustee and is offering his advice and assistance where appropriate.
The 3 amigos - SC, IA and myself - are the chewing gum on the bottom of the developers / councils shoe that they can't get rid of!'"
It needs less chewing gum on shoes, more baseball bats on swedes
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I'm guessing the difference is that Lateral are willing to fund the ground and comply with their perceived planning obligations, whereas Yorkcourt are seeking to do exactly the opposite.
My original points still stands, that nothing extra has been done for Cas. The council support the development and have granted planning. What has been done has put both clubs in the same position. The difference with Wakey is that there is a lack of enthusiasm to force Yorkcourt to do what Lateral appear to be doing for Cas.'"
You have got it spot on, no money is involved in either process. But what the council are providing is political will and that is just as important as funding. Glasshoughton seems to benefit from council good will and input, which it should.
However Newmarket seems to be totally the opposite. It may be that Yorkcourt are the less honourable developer but having seen how the council have responded when they have chanced their arm they have realised they can get away with doing nothing and there will be no consequences.
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| Quote: Prince Buster "You have got it spot on, no money is involved in either process. But what the council are providing is political will and that is just as important as funding. Glasshoughton seems to benefit from council good will and input, which it should.
However Newmarket seems to be totally the opposite. It may be that Yorkcourt are the less honourable developer but having seen how the council have responded when they have chanced their arm they have realised they can get away with doing nothing and there will be no consequences.'"
Exactly, the people whose job it is to represent the people of Wakefield haven't done their job properly.
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "Exactly, the people whose job it is to represent the people of Wakefield haven't done their job properly.'"
Yes that can be established as true.
We must then ask, is it a fact of incompetence or a deliberate act ?
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| Quote: Prince Buster "You have got it spot on, no money is involved in either process. But what the council are providing is political will and that is just as important as funding. Glasshoughton seems to benefit from council good will and input, which it should.
However Newmarket seems to be totally the opposite. It may be that Yorkcourt are the less honourable developer but having seen how the council have responded when they have chanced their arm they have realised they can get away with doing nothing and there will be no consequences.'"
I wouldn't disagree with any of that.
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| At some point the trust and MC have to draw the line and decide were we go from here years have passed by ,softly softly approach has failed miserably ,
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I'm guessing the difference is that Lateral are willing to fund the ground and comply with their perceived planning obligations, whereas Yorkcourt are seeking to do exactly the opposite.
My original points still stands, that nothing extra has been done for Cas. The council support the development and have granted planning. What has been done has put both clubs in the same position. The difference with Wakey is that there is a lack of enthusiasm to force Yorkcourt to do what Lateral appear to be doing for Cas.'"
Precisely, although I would also add that WMDC learnt from their mistakes with Newmarket by making it a condition that the stadium had to be built before any of the retail could open. That, and also that it wasn't a condition a proportion of the development was built first. However, I suspect that is more down to the funding - Lateral don't need to build to fund, whereas YC did?
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