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| There is just something different to me, If anything I think our defense has got better (Especially our goal line D) but our attack seems lacking from last season which is strange because apparently Chester looked after the offensive side of our game and Kear looked after the defense alongside Gilmour.
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| Quote: JINJER "And your last paragraph within reason is what I alluded to in a couple of my posts.'"
You did indeed; that part was more of a general statement than in response to anything you'd said!
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| Quote: homme vaste "There is just something different to me, If anything I think our defense has got better (Especially our goal line D) but our attack seems lacking from last season which is strange because apparently Chester looked after the offensive side of our game and Kear looked after the defense alongside Gilmour.'"
Not sure if I think the defence has got better but it is clear that the attack has suffered compared to last season. We look devoid of ideas in the opposition 20 and our last tackle options are shocking. How many grubbers have we seen this season? Not many! Other teams seem to use that to build pressure/force a GLDO, we seem to want to run the ball every time and invariably we end up dying with it and handing it over. A large percentage of the scores in games come from building the pressure until the opposition cracks. We're just not doing that often enough.
The other big thing for me is the amount of times we give the ball to a forward who is standing still, instead of on the burst. If Pauli Pauli took the ball while running at pace near the line would you expect him to be stopped????
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| Quote: Fordy "The other big thing for me is the amount of times we give the ball to a forward who is standing still, instead of on the burst. If Pauli Pauli took the ball while running at pace near the line would you expect him to be stopped????'"
That's a thing I've definitely noticed - we don't seem especially good at getting bodies in motion; multiple threats in multiple positions, making defenders have to work hard to cover. We rely a lot on Big Dave, who can create lots of momentum from a standing start, but many of our attacking plays are slow and predictable - with poor old Ashurst, who can be relied on to run a good line, receiving a hospital pass and getting smashed.
I guess they are finesse skills - but if you watched Cas last season and Saints this, at their best it looks like a well choreographed ballet (with tattoos and beards) as they set up an attacking play, with players making themselves useful right across the line; notwithstanding the increasingly pedantic interpretation of the obstruction rule, which often ruins it.
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| I was worried when Kear left it would show in our defending but my biggest worry has been our lack of creativity, especially in the final 20, on 5th tackles and an apparent lack of balls passed to the wing (particularly the left).
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| Who made the call on the signings this season.None look any better than what we already had. If Kear had some imput you can not blame Chester. I think game management is a big problem at present eg Again's Huddersfield last 20 mins of game you could see Finn was having shocker . Gamehad just about gone , why did he not move rocky to scrum half what was ther to lose
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| Quote: alegend "Who made the call on the signings this season.None look any better than what we already had. If Kear had some imput you can not blame Chester. '"
Horo has been a disappointment but Paulie is showing signs of improvement.
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I think game management is a big problem at present eg Again's Huddersfield last 20 mins of game you could see Finn was having shocker . Gamehad just about gone , why did he not move rocky to scrum half what was ther to lose'"
Regarding the Shudds game: Why didn't Tupou give the ball to Hampshire with about 15 to go? Only 4 behind, we may well have nicked it regardless of Finns performance.
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| Our pack may be big but we lack that grunt and aggression . Most S L clubs packs have at least one member who can go over near rhe line we seem to get held up over the line. I always like a no nonsense pack member we just don't have one.
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| Quote: lampyboy "Our pack may be big but we lack that grunt and aggression . Most S L clubs packs have at least one member who can go over near rhe line we seem to get held up over the line. I always like a no nonsense pack member we just don't have one.'"
We have in my eyes one of the best prop forwards in the league in Fifita who is a handful to stop near the line, he drags in four or five to stop him and then we benefit from the very next play...
Huby, England, Fifita (And Hirst when he gets his chances) are all playing very well and Pauli is getting better every time I watch him play. I think England is that grunt and aggression, he has a very direct style of play which seems to go unnoticed by many.
I don`t think we have an issue with our pack.
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| Though the pack played well last week
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| the pack lacks that aggression , yes they hit up but don't seem to have that bit extra to break through. compared to last season I would say on the whole that our packs gone soft. I'm not sure how anyone can say our packs been good and our results would go along way to say the complete opposite .
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Bang on the money Slugger.
Trinity are still doing exceptionally well for a club with their resources.
If SL standings were based on spend, we would be 12th every season and to have finished 5th last time (and only seconds away from 4th) has caused some fans to "expect" similar or better this time around.
There are concerns with some of our attacking plays and generally, we're not worrying our opponents enough but, the reality is that we are still punching well above our weight and with all the big clubs in decent form, we will be doing well to finish 6th / 7th and anything above would be a huge bonus.
We're all still hacked of about going out of the cup with a whimper but, when you look back over the past 6/7 seasons, this is just about as good as it gets and with Cas on the slide, there is always a chance that we could sneak up the table.
Come on Trin !'" I'll be honest I well hacked off with being knocked out of the cup, but then its just silverware I suppose as the money is in super league,
look at it from a fans point of view, 50 years on from losing in the final against our local opponents we had a chance to put something to bed with our best team in years but its now water under the bridge,
I even had a gut feeling that had we put our energies into it we could of still a top 8 finish as well as decent run in the cup and even put a bet on it which I never do, had known we would of gone out resting players I would of given the money to the club instead.
I'd of loved to see what the Wakefield public had of done had got there, could of been an increase in attendances but now I feel there's nothing to play for,
do I think we get within the top 4, no, we've lost too many to the teams above us
when I think back to the cups that was available to win back in the 70s there is only 3 now, 4 if you count Adam Watene's trophy
I still think we have the right team and managed by the right coach, I know we have the right management and great set working with them
patience is a virtue but I'm running out of years
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| Let's be realistic. We were not going to win the trophy this year.
We should have won and I was disappointed on the day but we got what our performance deserved and it's gone now. If it kick starts the rest of the season I'll be happy we lost.
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| Quote: PopTart "Let's be realistic. We were not going to win the trophy this year.
We should have won and I was disappointed on the day but we got what our performance deserved and it's gone now. If it kick starts the rest of the season I'll be happy we lost.'" realistic be all means
would you said the same to Sheffield when they won it
come on each cup game can be targeted to the team you play, that cup this year was winnable with this squad this year and would of meant something special after 50 years and what happened to poor Don.
I expect us to be in the top 8 anyway, now your saying kick start the rest of the season so your expectations must be a top 4 then
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| I genuinely can’t believe some of the comments regarding cup & potential league finishes on here recently. I get that most of you have supported Wakey through thin & thinner, but you don’t half talk yourselves down!
I’d say that your squad is at the least the same as last year & is arguably stronger; so why shouldn’t you be confident & try to improve? All this worrying about other teams & “under par year last year for bigger clubs” talk is what keeps clubs like ours (Cas) in their place.
I said on here earlier in the year that the biggest change required at wakey was the mindset of the fans. You have to start thinking like a successful club & believing it. You have loads to be positive about & positivity encourages more positivity which in time will lead to more spectators coming. You could argue that this is what JK brought to the table; belief. The players believed it & look what happened last year.
All this talk of being where you should be based on spend & fans etc is a cop out in my opinion. It’s as if some people are worried to be positive in case they are shot down later; so what if you get it wrong? It’s better to be optimistic & back the club rather than throwing the towel in cos the terrace’s are crumbling or you get a bit wet at games!
I apologise if it’s a bit ranty, but if you keep settling for 6-8 guess where you’ll always end up.
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