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| Quote: thebeagle "Thankyou for that information SC.So all the preceding debates and Vastman's plans to upgrade Dewsbury re. a permanent move there have been, to put it bluntly, a waste of time.
So basically what you are saying is that the options are pursuing the move to Newmarket, or somehow persuading Belle Vue owner in partnership with other parties to upgrade Belle Vue .
If neither of those are realised the championship is inevitable.
Pretty stark !'"
Pretty much but I have to say Vasty has some good ideas that may be useful to us.
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| Sandal Cat - you might not be able to answer this but, why would the RFL allow a club to relocate to a new stadium and maintain its SL status but not allow us to move to Dewsbury? It's not like we've gone bust and it's a new club. Would the rule be the same if the club decided to move to eg. Birmingham?
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Sandal Cat - you might not be able to answer this but, why would the RFL allow a club to relocate to a new stadium and maintain its SL status but not allow us to move to Dewsbury? It's not like we've gone bust and it's a new club. Would the rule be the same if the club decided to move to eg. Birmingham?'"
You are right, I cannot answer it, all I can say is that we would not be allowed to move to Dewsbury. In my opinion I think the RFL would be delighted if Michael was to suggest that he move the club to Birmingham or another city outside the traditional are but that is based on my view of the RFL.
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| Just think we could win the Challenge cup this year, Superleague the year after , and then chucked into the Championship as Superleague champions.
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| Development area Birmingham and non development Dewsbury that is the difference.
It looks like what is posted on here by the few hard core supporters is assumed to apply to all supporters.
I would say use this power wisely because a bad decision taken because it is thought those on here speak for all could see the end of our tenure in SL or even the club.
We all agree that Dewsbury is too small and inadequate for super league currently therefore it will need to be redeveloped and where will the investment come from. I can't see the point in us putting money into a facility that we do not own, if we are not able to put money into Belle Vue a ground we do not own.
I do not see the logic of a move to Dewsbury permanently because the only outcome would be our demise but this appears to be what the club is indicating. Belle Vue might be an embarrassment to SL but Dewsbury is also not up to standard and is not in the Wakefield area. What will SL think of a non development club playing in a stadium with a 5000 capacity.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Development area Birmingham and non development Dewsbury that is the difference.
It looks like what is posted on here by the few hard core supporters is assumed to apply to all supporters.
I would say use this power wisely because a bad decision taken because it is thought those on here speak for all could see the end of our tenure in SL or even the club.
We all agree that Dewsbury is too small and inadequate for super league currently therefore it will need to be redeveloped and where will the investment come from. I can't see the point in us putting money into a facility that we do not own, if we are not able to put money into Belle Vue a ground we do not own.
I do not see the logic of a move to Dewsbury permanently because the only outcome would be our demise but this appears to be what the club is indicating. Belle Vue might be an embarrassment to SL but Dewsbury is also not up to standard and is not in the Wakefield area. What will SL think of a non development club playing in a stadium with a 5000 capacity.'"
Where has the Club indicated that any move to Dewsbury would be permanent because I have not heard or seen that ?
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| For arguments sake let us accept the RFL would stop us moving to Dewsbury due to the fact it is a non development area (forget about ground capacity that could be improved)
I wonder if the RFL would stop us moving to Fev, after all that's not in the Wakey City area and also a non development area.
Finally, what about a move to Cas IF !! they get their new stadium, do you think the RFL would also block that ?
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| Quote: Sandal Cat "The RFL would allow a temporary move to Dewsbury provided there was a way back into playing within Wakefield so that means Newmarket or a redeveloped Belle Vue. They would not allow Wakefield Trinity to play in Dewsbury on a prermanant basis even if the ground could be brought up to SL standard but on that point where would the money to do it come from.
Michael and Chris's decision to move to Dewsbury is a decision that is being forced upon them due to the state of Belle Vue and that it fails to meet SL mininum standards on the number of seats and floodlighting levels just to name two. The Club does not have the money to upgrade Belle Vue and in any event as you are aware we don't own Belle Vue. So the move to Dewsbury can only be temporary if we wish to remain in Super League.
On Newmarket/Belle Vue all parties are still in discussions in an attempt to conclude a satisfactory outcome but we are getting to a point where time is no longer on our side, if it ever has been. If a satisfactory deal is not concluded in the very near future then there will be a Statement issued from the Stadium Trust and more than likely a Public Meeting like we had almost 2 years ago - doesn't time fly - to outline what has happened (or not) and where we take matters forward.
As soon as there is something to say, one way or the other, the Stadium Trust will announce it.'"
Whats the deal with this 88m group? I thought that they were interested in working together to help try and resolve the ground issue?
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| Quote: Prince Buster "
Finally, what about a move to Cas IF !! they get their new stadium, do you think the RFL would also block that ?'"
I sincerely hope they do if that's ever contemplated!
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| We're not planning to move out of Wakefield permanently, and we will get our Stadium in our great City of Wakefield.
Keep the faith
Up the Trin
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| The saddest thing about all this is that we're on the threshold of probably our best performing season in Super League yet we have this Sword of Damacles hanging over our heads. I personally cannot see Trinity ultimately overcoming this hurdle and coming out the other side as the club we've all grown to know and love, and the move to Dewsbury will be the start of the rot. I've read all the pros and cons on this forum regarding the problem, but in the end whatever happens it will all require large sums of cash that we just don't have, and are never likely to have.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Whats the deal with this 88m group? I thought that they were interested in working together to help try and resolve the ground issue?'"
They are but they are another Developer. They have bought Belle Vue and Super Bowl and want a return on the investment and risk they have taken and who can blame them.
They are happy to see Belle Vue redeveloped but understandably they want a profit from the site.
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| So, in a nutshell, BV is so bad we probably have to move out after this coming season and go presumably to Dewsbury. That would be temporary only, so what happens then?
Nothing's going to change is it? Nobody will finance a stadium and I now think the slow death actually started when we got planning permission!
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| Am I right in thinking that although the club are only tenants at BV, the owner cannot sell the site while ever the club play there & have nowhere else to go?
If so, does anyone know what effect this has when negotiating the terms of the tenancy? Are there any limitations/protections on what they can ask for rent & length of tenancy?
If the above points are in the clubs favour surely there's a case to be made for the club to improve aspects of BV.
I understand the argument of not spending because you don't own it, but I'm not sure that's the right path to go down. Even if the club owned the ground, any money spent on facilities would ultimately be a loss as those items would depreciate over time, need to be replaced & have no real resale value. I know MC is an accountant so I'm sure he'Il have evaluated the cost of implementing improvements against what the club may lose in terms of people staying away and/or restricting attendances, but I honestly think the club has a better chance of growing the business from an improved BV rather than moving to Dewsbury - speculate to accumulate & all that.
From the outside looking in it feels like a game of poker between MC, the RFL, YC & WMDC & must be a horrible situation for fans to be in. I'm not sure I'd have the minerals to play the hand if I'm honest as there's simply too much at stake.
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| Quote: Trinity1315 "So, in a nutshell, BV is so bad we probably have to move out after this coming season and go presumably to Dewsbury. That would be temporary only, so what happens then?
Nothing's going to change is it? Nobody will finance a stadium and I now think the slow death actually started when we got planning permission!'"
Well it's up to the club the trust and us fans to make sure we get our community stadium for our club and City.
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