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Quote: Fishermanscap "Anyway,

I think what actually matters here is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Yes, 2019 went bad after a great start, due mainly to injuries but I accept that certain performances were unacceptable, injuries or not.

2020? As a say, apart from those teams who could actually win something, it was a total dead rubber. I accept that in that 10 game losing run, was as in 2019, there were some unacceptable team performance regardless of injuries.

Yet the previous seasons, 2016. 2017 and 2018 had seen a truly resurgent club, easily IMO the best three-season run we have ever manged in SL, in fact pretty much the only one. In that time the quality of players at the club, especially the younger ones, had improved beyond anyone's expectation, two England reps for a start and plenty of players other teams envied.

So what I don't accept is that after 18 months that is all gone. Truth is, sometimes in life you have to go backwards to go forward. For the reasons outlined we did go backwards though mostly due to plain bad luck, now hopefully we now have a chance to go forward again and why not? Very few of our players are past it, many have hardly begun, so with the odd addition, I see no reason why we can't carry on where we left off before being blighted with injuries and COVID.

As they say, it's not getting it wrong that's the problem, that happens to us all, it's how you react. So let's give the lads the chance to react before dismissing them as has been who are only fit to battle it out for the wooden spoon with Leigh. Surely as a group of fans, we have a bit more dignity and self-belief than that?.'"


And who exactly is throwing the baby out of the bathwater...

You are right in what you said we had 2 or 3 very good years probaly in all honesty better than most could of imagined if where to be honest and again the last 18 months like you say have been for what ever reason or excusess been lets say back to the wakey we all know of hanging on and looking over our shoulder.and i may add that where those 18 months have been tough there have been some good to come out of it with the likes of jordan crowther (the most improved playwr at the club)max jowitt getting big game time and brad walker connor baily and yusef getting a taste of sl which in time can only benifit the team and club.
So what do we base our thoughts on for next season our most recent 18 months or the 36 months before that.knowbody knows we can all certainly hope its the 36 months before i know i do i hope that players get back to there best and lino comes in and is that link we have clearly been missing and that yea there a couple more additions to our squad like battye but untill this happens we dont know.the injuries may strike again covid aint just dissappearing.this is why for me leigh been promoted is a bit of danger to us they will build a competitive squad going to there ground is going to be harder than say going toyork.its already been said on here what there fans can be like having not been to york for rugby orher yhan junior games but its certainly would be less hostile and not just for wakey but all clubs.the next 2 or 3 years i feel is huge for the club with trying to get over the hole covid has dug but with ground improvements too and this is why sl survival is paramount. so 11th placed finish whild not so enjoyable it could be a path way to greater things.so yes i would with no disrespect to other clubs prefered say york to have been promoted just cos i believe it would be of benifit to my club

And by saying my team may be in a dogfight/relagation battle doesnt make you any less of a fan and it doesnt mean your slagging players off.

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Quote: Trinityknight "And who exactly is throwing the baby out of the bathwater...

You are right in what you said we had 2 or 3 very good years probaly in all honesty better than most could of imagined if where to be honest and again the last 18 months like you say have been for what ever reason or excusess been lets say back to the wakey we all know of hanging on and looking over our shoulder.and i may add that where those 18 months have been tough there have been some good to come out of it with the likes of jordan crowther (the most improved playwr at the club)max jowitt getting big game time and brad walker connor baily and yusef getting a taste of sl which in time can only benifit the team and club.
So what do we base our thoughts on for next season our most recent 18 months or the 36 months before that.knowbody knows we can all certainly hope its the 36 months before i know i do i hope that players get back to there best and lino comes in and is that link we have clearly been missing and that yea there a couple more additions to our squad like battye but untill this happens we dont know.the injuries may strike again covid aint just dissappearing.this is why for me leigh been promoted is a bit of danger to us they will build a competitive squad going to there ground is going to be harder than say going toyork.its already been said on here what there fans can be like having not been to york for rugby orher yhan junior games but its certainly would be less hostile and not just for wakey but all clubs.the next 2 or 3 years i feel is huge for the club with trying to get over the hole covid has dug but with ground improvements too and this is why sl survival is paramount. so 11th placed finish whild not so enjoyable it could be a path way to greater things.so yes i would with no disrespect to other clubs prefered say york to have been promoted just cos i believe it would be of benifit to my club

And by saying my team may be in a dogfight/relagation battle doesnt make you any less of a fan and it doesnt mean your slagging players off.'"


You to be honest, you do nothing but moan or post random nonsense. Just my opinion, but you did ask.

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Quote: Trinityknight "And who exactly is throwing the baby out of the bathwater...

You are right in what you said we had 2 or 3 very good years probaly in all honesty better than most could of imagined if where to be honest and again the last 18 months like you say have been for what ever reason or excusess been lets say back to the wakey we all know of hanging on and looking over our shoulder.and i may add that where those 18 months have been tough there have been some good to come out of it with the likes of jordan crowther (the most improved playwr at the club)max jowitt getting big game time and brad walker connor baily and yusef getting a taste of sl which in time can only benifit the team and club.
So what do we base our thoughts on for next season our most recent 18 months or the 36 months before that.knowbody knows we can all certainly hope its the 36 months before i know i do i hope that players get back to there best and lino comes in and is that link we have clearly been missing and that yea there a couple more additions to our squad like battye but untill this happens we dont know.the injuries may strike again covid aint just dissappearing.this is why for me leigh been promoted is a bit of danger to us they will build a competitive squad going to there ground is going to be harder than say going toyork.its already been said on here what there fans can be like having not been to york for rugby orher yhan junior games but its certainly would be less hostile and not just for wakey but all clubs.the next 2 or 3 years i feel is huge for the club with trying to get over the hole covid has dug but with ground improvements too and this is why sl survival is paramount. so 11th placed finish whild not so enjoyable it could be a path way to greater things.so yes i would with no disrespect to other clubs prefered say york to have been promoted just cos i believe it would be of benifit to my club

And by saying my team may be in a dogfight/relagation battle doesnt make you any less of a fan and it doesnt mean your slagging players off.'"


Anybody who doesn't agree with me, obviously eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: Trinityknight "
I do love people on here who love to think there it like yourself wonder where youd be without a keyboard'"

A lot of people on here know exactly who I am and where I can be found when not at work if you would like to discuss this further face to face I don’t mind PM’g you to arrange, although at the moment I can’t walk so you’d have to hang on a bit, maybe over the 5 days at Christmas when we are allowed to interact with other households icon_wink.gif

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Quote: financialtimes "A lot of people on here know exactly who I am and where I can be found when not at work if you would like to discuss this further face to face I don’t mind PM’g you to arrange, although at the moment I can’t walk so you’d have to hang on a bit, maybe over the 5 days at Christmas when we are allowed to interact with other households
I wouldn't bother wasting your time FT.

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Quote: BarnsleyGull "I wouldn't bother wasting your time FT.'"

Yep I know, you can’t educate pork, just didn’t take to the keyboard warrior insinuation if I’m honest icon_rolleyes.gif those that know me can testify that I’m a complete see you next Tuesday in person as well as online icon_wink.gif

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This really isn't the thread to start throwing tantrums guys, or those standing on the side egging them on.
Just accept you have different opinions and move on.

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Quote: PopTart "This really isn't the thread to start throwing tantrums guys, or those standing on the side egging them on.
Just accept you have different opinions and move on.'"


If you are referring to me, I think you'll clearly see that I told FT not to bother......

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Quote: BarnsleyGull "If you are referring to me, I think you'll clearly see that I told FT not to bother......'"


I wasn't but it was still a little passive dig.

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Quote: BarnsleyGull "If you are referring to me, I think you'll clearly see that I told FT not to bother......'"


Oh well must have been me, usually is in PT world icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: PopTart "This really isn't the thread to start throwing tantrums guys, or those standing on the side egging them on.
Just accept you have different opinions and move on.'"

To be fair it wasn’t a difference of opinion, it was one person stating a fact that wasn’t a fact and then another person pointing out the correct information then person one feeling stupid for being pointed out they were wrong then went on a diversionary attack to try camouflage their ignorance icon_thumb.gif
But hey, that’s just my “opinion” wink:

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Quote: Fishermanscap "Oh well must have been me, usually is in PT world
Glad you agree

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Quote: financialtimes "To be fair it wasn’t a difference of opinion, it was one person stating a fact that wasn’t a fact and then another person pointing out the correct information then person one feeling stupid for being pointed out they were wrong then went on a diversionary attack to try camouflage their ignorance
I don't disagree with what you are saying, it just started to get a bit tetchy and was going to continue down hill and it really wasn't that important.

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Quote: vastman "You to be honest, you do nothing but moan or post random nonsense. Just my opinion, but you did ask.'"

Hahah look whos talking

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Quote: Trinityknight "Hahah look whos talking'"


If it's any consolation, it wasn't your point that annoyed most people it was your assertion that we were all a bit stupid and were taking things lightly.

You're not alone in doing that but it's daft. I don't think you'll find many Trinity fans who are blindly optimistic snd cocky with it like you might in Cas.

We are fully aware of our club's ability to get it wrong, certainly in the past. We are also all thoroughly aware that even taking COVID and injuries into account we have not had a good 18 month, we could and should have done a bit better.

The difference is most of us see that as being in the past. We look at our squad and if you're being honest you have to say it looks decent. We remember how that team was performing and see no reason why it can't do so again. Sure there will always be a natural turn around in players due to age etc but overall its a good squad that just needed some tweaking and some confidence, something I think we regained in the last five games.

Hence there is no need to rip the squad apart, we just need to replace certain players with similar or hopefully better players. I think we are still in the process of doing that.

Great news from last night is that MC said the entire squad was fit! That hasn't been the case for two seasons, that alone is a massive boost. A fully fit Arona and Fifita is a massive plus for any team, ditto the rest.

So no need to be negative, we know Leigh will be all guns blazing, we know there is not a single easy beat team in SL but if we start well there is no reason why we can't compete. If we don't and we carry on as last season then fair enough there will be misery for all but why trouble yourself about that now? Now at this moment, all teams are equal on nil points.

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