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| Quote: JINJER "Or is this another ploy by MC to force the BOI's hand? A case of look here BOI, we've got somewhere to play and you'll not get your £250,000 a year? What happened to the "can't sell BV till Trinity have somewhere to play" gag?'"
see this where it gets out of hand, this figure is not the figure quoted that the bank excepts as rent, it was quoted that this figure is the total to run the club using Belle Vue to play out of and maintain
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Having just read our chairman's recent tweet I am afraid he still does not know who the Wakefield supporters are. We have a long history tied up at Belle Vue. We unlike football do not accept change easily so he may believe Dewsbury is a far better ground than Belle Vue but I doubt many supporters would agree.
It may make financial sense now but he fails to understand the impact it will have on the numbers attending because he does not know us with the exception of the optimists on the forum who would even consider Doncaster a viable option.'" lets just take things stadium related away from the equation,
where is our support right now,so what difference is it going to make if he took us to the moon, the Wakefield fans are a set of luddites unwilling to except change,
anyone standing to the moans and groans are called blinkered, rose tinted and in a love in with the club yet still want to see the club do well but are now drifting away, don't think we are the only ones just look at what has happened to Salford and they have got a new stadium
Let see what the news fetches today and see what response the Wakefield public say then
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| At the end of the day, I think everyone would prefer a solution within Wakefield proper. But we have been trying that for years and years and nothing has come off, if we have to temporarily leave Wakefield then Dewsbury is probably the best option for a lot of people. Decent ground, very accessible by car, direct bus from Wakey bus station. I would travel to Dewsbury, I wouldn't go to Donny or Barnsley.
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| Dewsbury is actually nearer to me than BV but BV is all we've know and loved.I'd love a re developed BV or a new stadium.Dewsbury are working hard to upgrade their ground,the road end as been made into a standing area and were on with the same at the opposite end I believe.if Trin played in timbuktoo I'd make every effort to get there.The sooner we get stability on the ground issue the better.I'm sure MC and team will do what's best for Wakey.
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| The problem is it wouldn't be a temporary move in reality would it, we would be there for years. It's about time people started to accept Newmarket as originally planned isn't going to happen, lets be honest there is no polical will, the developer is deliberately trying to manipulate the planning permission to there own end and half the fans never wanted to move their anyway. The best we could of hoped for was to use the land there as a bargaining chip to get Belle Vue and the land around it bought back and in our name with maybe some money up front to start vital improvements with incremental payments as the Newmarket site was developed. But to do this we had to play for time with BV and be in situ when this happened. By moving the bank will now likely sell the land, the planning condition is easier to remove and our historic home will be flattened for housing. So now we are stuck looking at being tenants in somebody elses ground outside Wakefield for a long time to come. I can't see any kind of positive outcome there.
Now i understand why Mr Carter took the decision, if we were to go down then it would prove to be the correct decision as we couldn't run a full-time squad on championship income whilst playing at Belle Vue. But if we stay up then it is going to look a foolish one as we will be moving away when we didn't have to. The savings we would make will be lost in people no longer attending and the money they also spend elsewhere. Add to the fact that we have already had two attendances this year higher than Dewsburys 5000 capacity which would be lost revenue straight away. Where will the net crease come from exactly?
Put it this way a conservative estimate would say if an average of 800 don't go next year due to the move and their average pay in cost is £15 then then over the course of 13 games we are 156K down
If a quarter of those missing would normally spend an average of £30 on merchandise from the shop the thats another 6K
If those people have an average in ground spend (programme, pop, beer, food, halftime draw etc) of just 3 quid a person (i know some won't spend any but some will spend much more) then over the season thats another 31200
Add on the 1500 people we wouldn't be able to fit into the ground on those two games its another 22500.
If just 50 of those people are club 1873 members and decide that since they are no longer going they won't bother thats 5200.
Thats a total of all but 221K. Is it really worth it in the end?
And once people stop going and get out of the habit it is very difficult to get them back. I really do fear a move from BV will be the end.
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| Quote: asmadasa "There is something about Belle Vue that makes it a great ground to visit in my opinion regardless of the facilities.
BOI probably wanted Trinity out and Carter knew that the writing was on the wall as well as in the Daily Mail...
You'll have rather a long way to go for home games in that stadium. The picture is of the LSV.
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| Quote: Sacred Cow "The problem is it wouldn't be a temporary move in reality would it, we would be there for years. It's about time people started to accept Newmarket as originally planned isn't going to happen, lets be honest there is no polical will, the developer is deliberately trying to manipulate the planning permission to there own end and half the fans never wanted to move their anyway. The best we could of hoped for was to use the land there as a bargaining chip to get Belle Vue and the land around it bought back and in our name with maybe some money up front to start vital improvements with incremental payments as the Newmarket site was developed. But to do this we had to play for time with BV and be in situ when this happened. By moving the bank will now likely sell the land, the planning condition is easier to remove and our historic home will be flattened for housing. So now we are stuck looking at being tenants in somebody elses ground outside Wakefield for a long time to come. I can't see any kind of positive outcome there.
Now i understand why Mr Carter took the decision, if we were to go down then it would prove to be the correct decision as we couldn't run a full-time squad on championship income whilst playing at Belle Vue. But if we stay up then it is going to look a foolish one as we will be moving away when we didn't have to. The savings we would make will be lost in people no longer attending and the money they also spend elsewhere. Add to the fact that we have already had two attendances this year higher than Dewsburys 5000 capacity which would be lost revenue straight away. Where will the net crease come from exactly?
Put it this way a conservative estimate would say if an average of 800 don't go next year due to the move and their average pay in cost is £15 then then over the course of 13 games we are 156K down
If a quarter of those missing would normally spend an average of £30 on merchandise from the shop the thats another 6K
If those people have an average in ground spend (programme, pop, beer, food, halftime draw etc) of just 3 quid a person (i know some won't spend any but some will spend much more) then over the season thats another 31200
Add on the 1500 people we wouldn't be able to fit into the ground on those two games its another 22500.
If just 50 of those people are club 1873 members and decide that since they are no longer going they won't bother thats 5200.
Thats a total of all but 221K. Is it really worth it in the end?
And once people stop going and get out of the habit it is very difficult to get them back. I really do fear a move from BV will be the end.'"
That's my take on it. Whilst physically the ground is practically in Wakefield it's perceptively a massive move away which will give the knife edge support an excuse not to go. I'll still go but many won't bother. If we move out of the city the club will die in 5-10 years or so.
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| I have read all of this thread and as a supporter of 60 years it deeply saddens me the plight we are in.
I will hold my hand up and say I haven't a clue as to the best way forward.
It is easy to criticise and lash out, but those who are criticising the club management have yet to come forward with really viable solutions.
All I know is that I am Trinity 'through and through' and will be there supporting come what may.
If some on here who just keep looking for excuses to cease supporting think I am 'blinkered', wear 'rose tinted glasses' good for them.
I call it being a supporter of something that is so much part of my life.
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| You can arrive at what figures you want. The clubs owned by Mr Carter and he can do as he pleases. I don't think for one minute he will be thinking about loosing any money . Hes the man in the know he knows how much it costs to run a rugby club and if the rents out of range at present hes simply looking at alternatives.
We may not like the goings on but we can do nothing to change the present situation. I support Wakefield Trinity and for the present time Mr C the owner and like many an owner before him he probably over values in money terms and underestimated the fans passion and feelings for the Trin.
Pub landlords come and go, some you like some you don't get on with. You may even stay away while the pubs under ownership of an owner you don't like. The problem s that the pub may close never to open its doors again because of rising prices and fewer numbers drinking. I think the only way we can insure we are watching Wakey will be to get behind the team and make sure we turn up, I don't see it as support for Mr Carter just supporting my team. Any really disgruntled supporters can organise demonstrations.
Just remember the next three games could well be the last we play at B V and I would much rather celebrate the old girl than go on a sour note. I have had some great times at our outdated sub standard ground and have not given a hoot about her condition. It part of the history of Wakefield and its played a massive part of my own personal family history for, well ages.
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| Quote: milopolly "
All I know is that I am Trinity 'through and through' and will be there supporting come what may.
If some on here who just keep looking for excuses to cease supporting think I am 'blinkered', wear 'rose tinted glasses' good for them.
I call it being a supporter of something that is so much part of my life.'"
This.
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| Quote: Theboyem "I'm pretty sure it was brinkmanship but the gamble was that the bank would prefer the easy money and take a lower rent option. It was always possible, some would say probable, that they actually want rid of the place and will happily sell it on to a housing developer who can take advantage of the planning permission on it. They will need to have the section 38 condition removed during the upcoming renewal but the hand of any objectors to that has been seriously weakened by us voluntarily giving notice to leave with 18 months left on the lease. And with Newmarket as unlikely as it has ever been the chances are it may get removed. The other option is to sit on the land a couple of years and see if the club withers away and dies playing outside of the city. Its been over a month and the boi haven't been back in touch regarding the offer we made and now someone has put a bid in. I'd say they are pushing for a sale.'"
Or is this the BOI playing the game too, seems strange that someone has come in with an offer after 5yrs on the market with no previous offers.
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| Quote: JINJER "]
Or is this the BOI playing the game too, seems strange that someone has come in with an offer after 5yrs on the market with no previous offers.'"
I think the difference now for a developer is that should they wish they could also look to purchase the superbowl and gym and look to also incorperate and develop that. This wasn't the case until recently, relatively speaking.
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| How do we know that the bidder is a builder. It may well be an investor who sees that buying the land, which will be relatively cheap, and taking rent from a sitting tenant will give him a very reasonable return for his investment. As building land the site has quite a low value due to its location, relatively small site, cost of site clearance and the legal costs to lift the covenants before any building work can take place. Just look at the area, if they put 30+ houses on there they will have to be low cost or social housing and have a very restricted market.
Surely it's time for those interested in the future of our club to use the Community Trust as a vehicle through which the ground could be bought and secured for Wakefield Trinity.
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| Quote: milopolly "I have read all of this thread and as a supporter of 60 years it deeply saddens me the plight we are in.
I will hold my hand up and say I haven't a clue as to the best way forward.
It is easy to criticise and lash out, but those who are criticising the club management have yet to come forward with really viable solutions.
All I know is that I am Trinity 'through and through' and will be there supporting come what may.
If some on here who just keep looking for excuses to cease supporting think I am 'blinkered', wear 'rose tinted glasses' good for them.
I call it being a supporter of something that is so much part of my life.'"
Well said that man
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| Will the RFL allow us to play elsewhere ?
No so long ago, they were strongly against a move to Barnsley.
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