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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Just as people should be free not to take a knee, people should be free to take one and I do wonder to what degree Wakefield's approach was in response to, say, a determined expression of the views of club management - I find it hard to believe that nobody in the squad would choose to do it given a fully free choice.'"
It wasn't, and the implication is not fair.
The message from the club is that it was a decision from the whole group.
Wakefield have been clear that they are an equal opportunities club.
I don't see the big deal to be honest.
Some have decided that taking a knee is their way of drawing attention to BLM. It isn't the only way. Wakefield are doing it in a different way.
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| To me it is a bigger statement then mindlessly kneeling for fear of been called a racist. The unity on show between men of varying races and nationalities is a far more positive image to portray. Idiots may have jumped on it but that is their problem. It's clear what the squad were trying to do. I hadnt realised Fifita had kneeled so clearly had any of the other squad members wished to they were free to do so.
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| The team should be applauded for showing solidarity against racism in the way they thought was best. Equally, I had no issue if they did take the knee.
I can see why people might take their approach the wrong way though, especially when Wigan were kneeling.
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| The Big Dave thing is also being taken out of context. No one knows his intention.
In the past they have done that as a Christian prayer. Doesn't have to be the case that he went a different way to his team about BLM.
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| While I abhor any form of racism and agree with "taking the knee" as a way of showing support against racism I am proud of my club for the statement they made and the stance the players took.
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| Quote: Willzay "Unfortunately, it looks like the stance has attracted some new “fans”.
The comments are embarrassing
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| Well done to the players for taking a common sense view to this issue.
Well done to the club for not putting any pressure on players to take the knee.
I too hate racism of any form and I abhor what our ancestors did regarding slavery, but as it was all a little before my time fail to see what I personally can do about it now, except express regret for what WAS done generations ago, (concerning the UK) and express disgust that it still does go on in some parts of the world.
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| Surely actions matter more than gestures.
What is the point of "taking the knee" if you have any sympathy with racist actions whilst not "taking the knee" but living a non racist life is very much to be applauded.
"taking the knee" has become part of our current gesture politics and so far hasn't achieved anything tangible. So, at what point in the future will people decide that a gesture is pointless unless backed by positive action and if the positive action takes place, the gesture becomes pointless.
In reality, racism in some form or other will be endemic in society for ever. When do we decide that not "taking the knee" would be possible?
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Just as people should be free not to take a knee, people should be free to take one and I do wonder to what degree Wakefield's approach was in response to, say, a determined expression of the views of club management - I find it hard to believe that nobody in the squad would choose to do it given a fully free choice.'"
Tbh what I find more unbelievable is that whole teams from every other club did, there’s a curious form of facism inherent to this and many ways to express support anti racism other than this.
I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, advocating self policing by the community , restitution for historic inequities etc. so find it very strange that people who would suffer greatly - eg 99 percent of the UK population.
And before anyone gets on their high horse my grandfather was enslaved by bevan from 1939 to 1948, moved from his home and family with his only alternative to going being jail, if we are talking about colour we have suffered and seen significant racism both deliberate and institutionally.
For all of that I believe in free speech and universal and even application of the law
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| Quote: FSW "Surely actions matter more than gestures.
What is the point of "taking the knee" if you have any sympathy with racist actions whilst not "taking the knee" but living a non racist life is very much to be applauded.
"taking the knee" has become part of our current gesture politics and so far hasn't achieved anything tangible. So, at what point in the future will people decide that a gesture is pointless unless backed by positive action and if the positive action takes place, the gesture becomes pointless.
In reality, racism in some form or other will be endemic in society for ever. When do we decide that not "taking the knee" would be possible?'"
Well said
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Just as people should be free not to take a knee, people should be free to take one and I do wonder to what degree Wakefield's approach was in response to, say, a determined expression of the views of club management - I find it hard to believe that nobody in the squad would choose to do it given a fully free choice.'"
Yet strangely you don’t find it strange tha 17 players do take the knee. Incredible double standard and a disgusting attempt to slur individuals. Why on earth would the club be bothered either way, MC has never shown any political bias either way. Really poor of you.
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Quote: Kirmudgeonly "I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, '"
Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.
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Quote: Kirmudgeonly "I actually don’t believe in defunding the police, '"
Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil - https://twitter.com/JBaker_WTOV/status/ ... 3510242308
In a UK context defund the Police is largely meaningless.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Almost anyone who took any time to look at what that actually means in its American context would support it - it means removing from Police the budgets which require them to deal with mental health, opiods and reallocating that budget to people who can actually deal with them (like in the UK).
It would also stop them wasting money on the sort of ridiculousely inappropriate military equipment that American police forces love to unveil -
So why take the knee to support it ? And as regards wasting money by government I ll happily take the knee to that
Incidentally that which you quote is the most recent iteration of what defunding the police now means , if you go back to pre George floyd - and public backlash it was very specifically defund the police. If you look what’s happened in Philadelphia and Chicago that’s worked really really well
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