Seems to be that we have a team of journey men and overseas players who are just playing for the wages rather than anything else like making the city proud etc. We have a big lack of home grown players or players that wear their Hearts on their sleeves I.e jd etc.

Would make Danny Kirmond captain, he showed that spirit & passion on Friday

And it seems we were right in both cases, otherwise they'd both have secured a SL berth elsewhere and be pulling up trees.

Ok for a championship side, no where near super league standard.

You can't say that though can you with young players, give them the right coaching in the right set up and things can change, and even if they don't lets face it we can bing in Tim Smith to pull up all the trees for them.

I think you're all missing the point on this one.

Our CCup exploits have been abysmal for as long as I can remember. It's certainly not new to Agar and this team - far from it. And yes even JD was as crap as anyone else when it came to CCup games.

Unless I am mistaken we have never beaten a fellow SL team in all the time we have been in SL! That is a hugely damning statistic. We couldn't beat Hull in the Semis, we lost to Cas last year - even in 2004 we were knocked out early by a SL team I think.

We have had six coaches in that time and only Kear came close when goal kicking let us down but even then that was the first SL opposition we met and we were hardly fantastic on the day. Ditto the play offs the other year, only in 2004 did we ever really make a fight of it in a knock out competition - that is once since 1979!!!

I know the issues and the excuses and they are still with us, but all the same it's a disgrace - both previous BOD, players and coaches should hang their heads in shame.

Contrast this to some of the epic displays in the end of season relegation games. Yet as was said about Dunkirk, these were not victories just total defeats avoided. I always thought the celebrations after avoiding relegation especially in 2006 were a travesty. That team in particular should never have been there in the first place and had let the club and fans down - an apology would have been more appropriate - and with no fear of upsetting the JD fan club of which I am one he was as big a culprit as the rest up until the last 6 games - there have been no heroes in this story.

Until we have a winning mentality or at least enough players who have been at the club long enough to have a sense of pride we will never do a Fev - not in a million seasons.

To quote our resident mouth, Stu Dickens is a midget prop true - but with the heart of a giant and a love of his club - who is our Stuart Dickens?

It will take Glover and Agar/whoever some time to rectify this - when/if Johnson, Amor and Woods are at the heart of our team in 3 years time then maybe - however if past experience is anything to go by none of those names will be on the team sheet and nothing will change.

Well done Fev by the way.

Johnson nailed to go to hull.
Can't see Leeds not taking Amor.

I'm not really interested in speculation which is normally poor - my point wasn't meant as an excuse for groundless gossip which this is whether you believe it or not.

If the money and the state of the club is right he will stop with us - nothing is nailed on. So over to Mr Glover.

We knocked Cas out in 2002 at BV. I think thats our only win against SL opposition which is shocking really!!

He is represented by an agent who is the brother of Phil Clarke. According to quite a few the guy is one of the worst there is to deal with and it was suspected sometime ago that he was not staying with us. He will be no great loss IMHO.

However I agree with your main post and I think the generation we want to be building on is Walshaw,Wildie and Trout.

As I say not really interested in the Johnson speculation and as you know nothing is nailed on see Gareth Ellis. TBH Johnson was the first name that came into my head - who is here in 3 years time doesn't matter just so long as there are some and so long as they are good enough.

At the moment the team has no back bone at all and though I'm not an Agar fan that is not his fault.

Even considering our inability to keep real stars like Brough, Ellis and Solomona we could if our previous board had not failed have had the likes of Snitch, Moore, Ferguson, George and Murphy to name a few still at the club. Maybe BJ would be playing his heart out now in his testimonial season. Not world beaters I accept but at least something resembling an organically grown team rather than one bought off e-bay. Very sad, very sad indeed - it really is no way to run a club and it's been like that for 40+ years.

Didn't we also beat Widnes and London in the early SL days? All pre-Kear though.

Also Widnes at their place - Ian Knott era and London at theirs - 2004 I think.

Slim pickings though after all these years.

Vastman has it about spot on - no heroes in this story and no mental strength shown. We made a better fist of it at Bradford in the quarter final before we got into SL!

Yes we did. Both away as well.