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| If our players are so busted up over the last 2 games then why let players go out on loan ?.
Kirmond hasn't looked his self most of the season so far and the lad looks like he could do with a rest for the good of his long term future.
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| Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.
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| I'm darn London for a few days with work so missed the game and haven't had chance to comment anyway.
To get walloped by so many is embarrassing of course and even I am starting to doubt the team and coach but I still think stability and support is important to this tram this season.
The point to me now is to try and find a way forward rather than finding someone to blame.
I really don't think Agar is the issue.
It's ironic that many of those more creative in their blaming of Agar were also saying we should target the league and let this game go. I remember saying be careful what you wish for.....
I predicted a straight off that the team would get better with time and would shock some teams.
I still believe it, but it's getting harder to be optimistic.
So I don't blame Agar, and even more so don't want to change for most of the names mentioned, but it is his responsibility to get them playing at their best and I hope he finds the way soon.
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.'"
Actually quite a few on here questioned the wisdom of letting them all go on loan at once, especially during such a busy period of the season, but don't let that stop your sickly holier than thou attitude.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"I'm darn London for a few days with work so missed the game and haven't had chance to comment anyway.
To get walloped by so many is embarrassing of course and even I am starting to doubt the team and coach but I still think stability and support is important to this tram this season.
The point to me now is to try and find a way forward rather than finding someone to blame.
I really don't think Agar is the issue.
It's ironic that many of those more creative in their blaming of Agar were also saying we should target the league and let this game go. I remember saying be careful what you wish for.....
I predicted a straight off that the team would get better with time and would shock some teams.
I still believe it, but it's getting harder to be optimistic.
So I don't blame Agar, and even more so don't want to change for most of the names mentioned, but it is his responsibility to get them playing at their best and I hope he finds the way soon.'"
I really do think that this teams ability is being overplayed by many, it is nothing more than an average superleague side with a light sprinking of talented players at best but to achieve that everybody has to put in 100%, play to their full potential and be given the correct gameplan to follow. Right now we seem to be lacking in all 3 areas and the questions have to be asked why that is. For me if it continues over the next 3 games then a change has to be made before it is too late.
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.'"
Was Raleigh and sjeika injured? Is Molloy still injured? If they were fit then surely they should have played instead of players carrying injuries?
Danny Kirmond hasn't been fit for most of the season yet Agar continues to play him despit knowing he won't be as effective as he can be and won't last the match. This lad needs to be given a rest to overcome whatever injury he is carrying as a fully fit Kirmond will be a major asset to us.
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| Definitely Andy Raleigh, Jon Molloy and Harry Siejka should be in the 17 this Friday.
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| The trouble is Scarlet Pimpernell at least one of those players let out on loan should have been used to give Kirmond a rest.Its clear for all to see the lad is putting his hand up to play but not fit enough and hasn't been for a few games no hindsight needed on that one.I actually fear for Kirmonds long term future in the game if this goes on he will end up busted and I would not want that of any player least of all one of lifes good guys.
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| On the issue of lads going out on loan Agar is in an absolutely impossible position as far as some fans go...he cant do right for doing wrong (as with a lot of other things aswell)
I may be wrong with timing...not sure?...but isnt the busy easter period coming up soon...a time where you may be stretched afterwards....does that period tie in with when the lads can be called back? If so, it would have made perfect sense to send them out when they did....hopefully get some game time and be ready and match fit if needed after Easter...
At present I still think Trout and Walshaw are well down the pecking order as utility forwards....Moore is back in now....Annakin cant be far off...Molloy did very well last tim he played....thats not including all the other forwards who have been playing....
None of us know who is injured....who isnt...again Agar cant win on that score....like Dan Smith missing HKR away...was there a slight problem there because Agar took some right flack for that....then he struggles to play 5 minutes on Sunday....
I dont buy into the Kirmo injury stuff either....for me he is fit to play every game but is arguably trying too hard and going away from the basics....he hurt himself on Sunday with a silly shoulder charge on Sinfield and wasnt the same after....stick to basics....dont attempt siily tackles like that where you risk hurting yourself...just settle down a bit...play your own game and be the inspirational leader of the team you were last year....its what the team is crying out for....a big leader on the field...
Just my opinion...
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| From what I hear DK has a slipped disc in his back which requires extensive massaging during the week and then painkilling injection(s) on game day. Don't know how true it is, but from what fans who've seen him play are telling me it would tie in with how he's been performing.
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| Quote steadygetyerboots-on="steadygetyerboots-on"From what I hear DK has a slipped disc in his back which requires extensive massaging during the week and then painkilling injection(s) on game day. Don't know how true it is, but from what fans who've seen him play are telling me it would tie in with how he's been performing.'"
Pretty much correct i believe.
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| Quote upthecats="upthecats"On the issue of lads going out on loan Agar is in an absolutely impossible position as far as some fans go...he cant do right for doing wrong (as with a lot of other things aswell)
I may be wrong with timing...not sure?...but isnt the busy easter period coming up soon...a time where you may be stretched afterwards....does that period tie in with when the lads can be called back? If so, it would have made perfect sense to send them out when they did....hopefully get some game time and be ready and match fit if needed after Easter...
[iWildie and Trout are not eligable for recall until AFTER easter. Walshaw can though be recalled back now i believe and should be.[/i
At present I still think Trout and Walshaw are well down the pecking order as utility forwards....Moore is back in now....Annakin cant be far off...Molloy did very well last tim he played....thats not including all the other forwards who have been playing....
[iAnnakin a couple of weeks off yet apparently.[/i
None of us know who is injured....who isnt...again Agar cant win on that score....like Dan Smith missing HKR away...was there a slight problem there because Agar took some right flack for that....then he struggles to play 5 minutes on Sunday....
[iSmith was 'rested' against Hull KR. He went off after 10 mins on sunday because of a head knock.[/i
I dont buy into the Kirmo injury stuff either....for me he is fit to play every game but is arguably trying too hard and going away from the basics....he hurt himself on Sunday with a silly shoulder charge on Sinfield and wasnt the same after....stick to basics....dont attempt siily tackles like that where you risk hurting yourself...just settle down a bit...play your own game and be the inspirational leader of the team you were last year....its what the team is crying out for....a big leader on the field...
[iHe has a back injury and really could do with resting to get it right. Yet Agar keeps throwing him back out there and it is telling in his performances.[/i
Just my opinion...'"
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