Speaking of Willie Poching and "Time to Go" just seen on Twitter that Willie is heading back home to NZ after 25 years here.

If you see effort in Atoni then I’m watching a different game ,he’s supposed to be our replacement for Fifita or Arona neither of which he could lace their boots with his pitiful performances so far . I personally don’t see Jorge breaking any pots , or dare I say lynne or Hood . As much of our supposed quality players are under performing and as you call it (the effort) is then left to the rest to pick up the pieces , which is why we are where we are , staring down the barrel

can't see any point in bringing players like Proctor Atoni and Jorge over here when they are no better than Battye Crowther and Kershaw. In fact it's debateable as whether they are any better than Croft Shaw and Brad Walker who were all let go because they were supposed to be not good enough

I agree about Atoni.
I'm not saying he isn't trying but the effort he's putting in isn't good enough for me.
The others I don't agree.
Jorge isn't TJ or Murphy. He never has been. He was getting the most yards of any player in the team when he was playing. They are just hard yards. I wish he was a bit faster.

But equally when you watch Langi, Smith, Lino, they tried everything they could to get us across that line against Cas.

I haven't come across one person who has been 'happy' with Atoni, yet he continues to be selected. Why isn't he loaned out to Bradford and not Butler?! Don't get me wrong, I really don't think there's any difference between the props we have, Whitbread stands out and the rest are barely Super League standard. Also, Smith is only playing because Gaskell got injured, so i wonder if he will walk straight back in??

Funnily enough, Atoni made 27 tackles and no misses against Cas and carried 12 times with an average of 6.

I'd prefer more metres but that was probably his best game so far for involvement.

He made that run in the second half when you thought yeah, that's more like it! I just don't know whether it's fitness, attitude or what with him, but he surely must be better than what he's showed so far....

I think you are all forgetting our most expensive player. Proctor has been absolute rubbish, incapable of no more than 15 effective minutes and most of that time bent double with his Harris in the air and more steam comming out of it than the flying scotsman

With a new coaching set up and a major recruitment drive, we could well produce the worst season from any club in super league history. No wins and hardly any points scores so far, I can't remember a side being this poor.

I'm usually a little cautious of a wholesale change, as often it felt that a new start might just be around the corner. Take 2006 for example. That was a good squad, and a lot of games still felt competitive. This year, it feels hopeless. At least we'd have the comfort of knowing it can't get any worse. Lose on Sunday and Leigh are out of sight for us. Hull FC are bound to get better. A faltering Cas is our only hope.

I think both Cas and Hull will get much better leaving us in a world of pain at the bottom of the table

Yep - I see little or no hope for the rest of this season whether or not we change the coach. Basically we have a championship squad playing a division above their level and I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to change that. I see plenty of effort from most of the players but we are just outclassed in games. I gave up on away matches about 3 seasons ago but even the thought of a home game fills me with dread at the moment and the 80 mile round trip doesn't help. Don't remember feeling so low about our prospects in over 50 years of supporting.