Wow! Johnson has had a majority for barely 48 hours, and already people are calling for a return of the death penalty.

Good post Kev!!!

The death penalty are you mad, even some of the states in the USA are removing it from their statute because it does not work. How many have been released because of miscarriages of justice meaning they were innocent. I suppose these cases would probably not be reopened because it’s a little tricky to bring someone back from the dead.
What next we revisit the introduction of workhouses like one of their new MP’s suggested. Why not bring back fox hunting, I fear for any of the minorities who are going to face an increase in prejudice that some of our fellow citizens believe Brexit allows them.

This is literally the lie that will never die. I should be amazed that people still believe the stuff on the side of the bus after all these years but sadly it's still out there.

All you have to do is look to the USA to see the wider negatives of the death penalty, no matter how disgusting the crime, even in states like Texas that love the death penalty, you see if you watch and read about it enough that it doesn't works as a rule. Sure there are some that have done the crime, no questions asked and you'd love to straight walk them out of court and put one on their heads because their crimes are so heinous, but obviously law doesn't work like that and most cases are very complex and and are sometimes down to things like quality of lawyer or which State they get convicted etc. A study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent.

Ateotd it takes years and years for prisoners to get to the death penalty stage, even for those that were bang to rights and being on death row costs far more housing them because they get more privileges, more officers are watching fewer men because it's one per cell. Like I say most are not put to death until they've been imprisoned 20+ years, so it becomes redundant, especially when you take into account the average age of a prisoner doing life in prison is in their 60's , so many die before the get put to death. So many states in the USA have stopped using it because it's proved ineffectual, even states that have the DP many haven't put anyone to death in years .I read an article about a bloke in Florida man who was sentenced to death for strangling three women but died in May 2013—of natural causes. He had been on death row for nearly 40 years. The state never executed him because he was"too crazy to be killed", just shows how weird and complex cases are when a state like Florida doesn't kill a guy like that.

I'm really interested in anything about Law & Crime, did Law at College and still have a huge interest in the subject, reading and watched just about everything I can get my hands on and I'll be honest, I can say watch one documentary about an horrific child murderer or serial killer etc and you see red and want the Death Penalty brought back over here. But when I calm down & think it through again , especially when you know how many people have been wrongly put on death row, plus we know it's no deterrent to murder etc, I think again. A study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent.

Anyone that really wants it brought back I'd suggest watching a documentary movie called 'The Fear of 13', apart from it being an amazing piece of work, it tells the story first hand of a guy called Nick Yarris, who was convicted of murder and spent 21 years on Death Row in Pennsylvania, until DNA proved him innocent, that for me makes it not wort it.

IMO as long as the ones who deserve it don't see the light of day, that's good with me and I'm happy to pay it. .

This is the very populism streak in the working classes that the far right tap into so very well. Forget how bad or otherwise Corbyn is, the fact that huge swathes of average Joes (of which I am one) can somehow think that the best bet for the next 5 years is the Tory party, after literally butchering the social fabric and structures they rely upon (via 'austerity') for the last 9 years, is incomprehensible to me. Don't try and get your head around it you'll drive yourself nuts.

Yes some people fall for things on buses and others fall for left wing propaganda

I don't know about 16 billion a year but 'the ONS reports that the UK government's net contribution to the EU – that is, the difference between the money it paid to the EU and the money it received – was £11.0 billion in 2018 compared with the £20.0 billion theoretical liability. '
rlhttps://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31rl

Or to use another website like Fullfact they have it at 9 million a year we contribute.

rlhttps://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/rl

As they say

So maybe not what EW said but a whichever way you look at it a fair crack.

The question also has to be asked, even if we do pay in all this extra and will thus have a saving, who the F in their right mind thinks it will be spent on the working classes or the services predominantly used by them?! And if people think the EU nationals are gonna have to leave most of em will be able to apply for settled status anyway. Not to mention most immigration still comes from outside the EU anyway. Can't wait for the huge difference we'll see when we finally 'get Brexit done'

P.S - excellent post on the death penalty SC

What I do find unbelievable is that the Tories give us 10+ years of austerity, then blame the immigrants and us this to suggest that we leave the EU and over half of the country dances to their tune.
If there had been sufficient funding for education and the NHS etc, nobody would have batted an eyelid but, "we" have been squeezed like never before and e are trusting the very people that have denied benefits to the disabled and terminally ill to put things right

Having said that, labour were a shambles and should have knocked the Tories off the political map but failed miserably - it's bloody depressing.
One thing Boris Johnson isn't, is a man of the people - never has been and never will be and when you look at who is sitting next to him round the cabinet table (Rees Mogg and Pritti Patel etc) God help us.
The ecconomy is already flat lining and "we" think they are going to spend money up North, it's embarrassing.

This is the same party that has already tried to kill off industry in Yorkshire in the 80's

They do say, be careful what you wish for.

All true, but you only need a computer and a bit of time and the want to truly learn & educate yourself on things , however left or right you may be.


Personally just about everyone one I know except for a few far lefties, fall pretty much dead , probably like most of the country when it generally comes to how we want our country to work and be perceived by others. That is most people support socialised medicine via the NHS and want those in genuine need through no fault of their own to be helped by the government. They don’t support ill-judged military meddling in the affairs of others. They believe in fair play and warmly welcome legal immigrants who want to become British and contribute to society. They don’t mind their taxes being spent on the deserving. Unless I'm misjudging people & without getting too deep, that's what most people want.

Miscarriages of justice some are so clear cut they shouldn't breath oxygen, had the police not disposed of the London attacker we would of just give a cell to other waste of life, it's time the law was tougher

And no I'm not a conservative