Looking at highlights there were some poor defensive reads from both centres and wingers giving them acres of space. The BMM try was just pathetic defence allowing him to keep going. I would have expected either TJ or BJB to have caught cart horse Lineham well before line. Move on from this and need to get 2 points out of next two which on paper are more difficult games.

A disappointing night really.
Going down by 10 points away at Warrington is not shocking by any means. However, there were 2 try's against us last nigh that we should be utterly embarrassed about.
The BMM effort, although he's an explosive player, was awful and the try straight from the HT re start was just embarrassing.
We kick of and know exactly who will be bringing the ball back at us and yet nobody was prepared to bend their back.

Apart from that, it was a fairly even game although the difference in kicking was there for all to see.

Warrington finished all of their sets with either a kick that they could genuinely compete for or a kick to the side lines but, our were awful.
Putting the ball behind Lineham should have been the play. turning him round and taking some juice out of him.
Although he did make a speedy recovery from laying on the ground motionless and trying to cheat another penalty, to then going 80 metres to score. Even Paul Daniels didn't have a magic sponge that could work such miracles.

Also, I think we need to get a little smarter.
Other sides are milking penalties against us for fun but, we aren't working hard enough to have them awarded in our favour.
We need to fight to get back up when tackled and not just lay on the ground hoping for a pen.

With Cas and FC to come we may be looking ad mid table mediocrity, rather than top 4 challengers and right now, both of those look in far better form than us.

BJB is really being suckered on a regular basis. Memories of the Cockayne on the wing era? Needs sorting.

think fullback is some thing that as got to be looked at. Grix did ok under high ball but is running round the back of our line to make the extra man was so slow he was getting in the way. He should have scored to put's back in front but passed to a Wires player in stead.We seem to not show any thing in the half's do not know if this is to do with age catching up with Finn or timing been off. Pauli and Horo should not be in the team till they are up to speed .Played 6 games and think we look like a team that will not finish in the top 6

First drive apart where he put Philbs on his , Pauli was apauling last night.

Didn't get to the game last night but I have to admit that I have been disappointed with Pauli so far...for his size he should be smashing tacklers out of the way like Big Dave does.

My question would be after the last 2 games both of which you could argue were against better opposition? Are we struggling with impact off the bench???

Both games we have gone in at HT with slender leads only to struggle through the second 40 mins, IMO as soon as England or Big Dave get changed we don’t look as organized or compact. It starts to get a little ragged, big Dave was a blow to loose. England did 33 mins which again big minutes, PP came on big hit on him from BMM and then went into hiding. Do we need to mix it up? James Batch was great last season Arundel? I’m not knocking anyone, I just feel the spark has disappeared from second half performances over last 2 games.

Very entertaining game with good contributions from both sides and some good tries scored. The best Warrington performance this season by a country mile and shows Wakey a lot of respect that we were apprehensive until pretty much the end with the pace in your side and your start to the season.

Wakey have a good side and I hope you do well for the rest of the season. Hope Bish is ok, it looked like one of those innocuous things that can sometimes be problematic

I'm glad everybody's mentioning what's wrong this season I've thought from the second game. It does look like Finn needs a rest He's even missed a couple of penalty kicks to touch & his gking hasn't been up to much But to be fair most of them have been from the touchline we cant seem to score (Not much anyway) anywhere else. Why are we not giving ourselves a chance on the "up & under" nobody is following them up. Topou although a great player seems to be ignoring Johnston on the wing He's rarely getting a pass. With all the promise of Pauli he does seem to be a one trick pony the difference between him & BMM is huge. Bishop is having problems on the wing does he want to be a centre? cause he's playing there more often than not. CC has some sorting out to do 20 mins into the second half the forwards were on there knees I know it's only round six but others are catching up fast & we have some tough games ahead & now we are in danger of falling behind

Pauli's a hard one for me, do we continue to play him because we knew he wouldn't be 100% up to game speed when he came over after Christmas, so he missed a fair bit of preseason and then add in the injury he was recovering from. But then again at the moment, although his average gain is about the same as England's, but compared to England he isn't doing enough minutes and his work rate is nowhere near high enough. Do we even play him in a few reserve games when they come along to get more minutes into his legs?
I personally thought we were seeing slight improvements in the first few games but he hasn't really kicked on & turned into the player we thought atm and probably his teammates thought as well, after listening t the likes of Fifita and Wood speak about him before the season.
CC must be able to see all his stats, as well as that technology they wear on their shirts so he'll be able to assess him better.Hopefully, Pauli can really work on his fitness because for me it's that which is stopping be the player I've watched before. Maybe that's why CC was talking about turning him to a back rower, to get his fitness higher.With Fitness he should have the impact of someone like BMM has when he pays well, which Tbh until this game he'd been very average for Wire.

It's not just Pauli for me either, Huby and Hirst aren't hitting their form from last year. Both their AG is under 6 compared to well over 7 last year. I know that doesn't tell you the full story but when you look at tackle busts and other stuff it gives you an idea. just like when you compare the forward stats from 2016 to last season, they were far better especially the meters we were making as a pack. Even Arona is 2 meters down a carry. I know the weather with the pitch being so heavy which hasn't helped big forwards get going and driving but other forwards have been doing it.

Agree with that. Last season the bench was a big deciding factor in a number of games we won, thus no matter who was on the pitch the performance level apart from the odd game didn't drop. The bench doesn't seem to be as effective so far, especially these last couple of games and even before that.
Agree about getting Batch in there, he can take over the goal-kicking duties as well. CC will know better than me but maybe get Hooley or Jowitt back in at FB for a couple of games, along with letting MCB in for BJB to maybe freshen things up and also jeep players on their toes.

Pauli for me has been untouchable the guy can drink and party with the best of em.
Rugby wise you cant hammer it like that boy and compete In super league.

Anyway thinking about the game some more, yes we lost & I was a bit dirty afterwards because we played some good stuff, scored some nice tries and went there to win but that start to the 2nd half and the soft tries, especially Lineman's 2 tries that were exactly the same that we should have dealt with, ruined for me what was a good game against 2 well-matched teams, who both went to play the game the right way.
Good to read so many compliments on the Wire board about our team and the way we played in general. Hopefully we can get them back at our place.

Can anyone remember the last time a ref gave a penalty for a ball carrier leading with the knee? I can't. We really do seem to cop some bizarre calls sometimes.

Finn's in play kicking hasn't been great for ages. Same high bomb that is always far too deep and down the throat of a winger or fullback without any of our players able to challenge for it. It's boring. Wish we'd sometimes try a chip or a kick that finds the floor.