FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > ALL CHANGE AT THE "ICONIC" BULLS...NOT !! |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 1470 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "This is the potential scenario, and one in which points shouldn't be deducted
I'm amazed you have looked so in depth in to it, what you can't explain is the smoke screen that the RFL has helped the bulls at this hard time.
I'm becoming very bitter at what we have had to put up with while us being in SL some of this self inflicted by our club and its making me feel like jacking it in my self, we have set rules and its just being twisted and bent to suit.
my natural survival is wanting other clubs to go bust so we are still around, this was a family game enjoyed by all, not any more
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6297 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
31007_1580947500.jpg EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg |
|
| Quote: snowie "I'm amazed you have looked so in depth in to it, what you can't explain is the smoke screen that the RFL has helped the bulls at this hard time.
I'm becoming very bitter at what we have had to put up with while us being in SL some of this self inflicted by our club and its making me feel like jacking it in my self, we have set rules and its just being twisted and bent to suit.
my natural survival is wanting other clubs to go bust so we are still around, this was a family game enjoyed by all, not any more
I haven't looked that deeply into it. Just trying to read between the lines from the Bulls board.
I'm fighting hard not to be bitter, and I too thought "that's it", but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt at the moment.
I do think it is potentially different to the Richardson situation, as we chose to go into admin. I get the impression the RFL were partly behind it to bring everything to a head. They had an owner who no longer wanted to run the club. If the RFL did it, they can't deduct the points.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 3728 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Feb 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I haven't looked that deeply into it. Just trying to read between the lines from the Bulls board.
I'm fighting hard not to be bitter, and I too thought "that's it", but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt at the moment.
I do think it is potentially different to the Richardson situation, as we chose to go into admin. I get the impression the RFL were partly behind it to bring everything to a head. They had an owner who no longer wanted to run the club. If the RFL did it, they can't deduct the points.'"
Which means the rfl should have kept the hell out of it. As a governing body they have to be seen as independent. One of those 'epic fails' again.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 9154 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
13462.gif :13462.gif |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "This is the potential scenario, and one in which points shouldn't be deducted
From what I understand, the above is the most accurate assessment of the situation on this thread. The club have stated that they intend to honour the existing creditors, unless that doesn't happen I agree, why should the club be docked points?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 1470 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I haven't looked that deeply into it. Just trying to read between the lines from the Bulls board.
I'm fighting hard not to be bitter, and I too thought "that's it", but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt at the moment.
I do think it is potentially different to the Richardson situation, as we chose to go into admin. I get the impression the RFL were partly behind it to bring everything to a head. They had an owner who no longer wanted to run the club. If the RFL did it, they can't deduct the points.'"
reading on the bulls board is going to be biased so you would see a different view of it, I've always said if you tell people enough times they then start to believe its where confidence is built
if the RFL doesn't take the appropriate action them selves its going to leave a sour taste on many fans
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6297 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
31007_1580947500.jpg EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg |
|
| Quote: snowie "reading on the bulls board is going to be biased so you would see a different view of it, I've always said if you tell people enough times they then start to believe its where confidence is built
if the RFL doesn't take the appropriate action them selves its going to leave a sour taste on many fans'"
I agree that it creates the impression of bias. My starting position is that the RFL want to do the best for the game and the clubs, even though it sometimes looks different. I just get the impression that they were caught between a rock and a hard place.
The choice they may have had is:
1. Allow a club to enter the season with an owner who doesn't want to run it; or
2. Engineer a situation where they can have someone running the club who does want to run it, but take the flak for apparent bias.
Option 2 is probably the preferable option. But if they engineered it, how can they penalise for it?
I don't think we would have had the same amount of intervention, and that is the galling thing, but that doesn't mean they did the wrong thing with the Bulls. Should they let an owner run the Bulls to non-existence mid-season just to keep us happy?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 389 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2014 | Sep 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
fonds blancs/Stitch.gif Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney
Won't you score a try for me ?:fonds blancs/Stitch.gif |
|
| Just think at the business end of the yr and we're relegate due to dulls avoiding pts reduction or they ain't sold players 'again! So have the same players as last 2yrs and we've more or less lost a full team in that time. It don't arf leave a nasty taste
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6297 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
31007_1580947500.jpg EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg |
|
| Quote: wildwoman "Just think at the business end of the yr and we're relegate due to dulls avoiding pts reduction or they ain't sold players 'again! So have the same players as last 2yrs and we've more or less lost a full team in that time. It don't arf leave a nasty taste
Its the point about selling players I'm more interested in. Have they received financial help that isn't available to other troubled clubs? That's where the unfairness is, if there is any, particularly as they are adding to the squad.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15521 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2020 | May 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
50722_1319672516.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50722.jpg |
|
| Quote: Bully_Boxer "The club have stated that they intend to honour the existing creditors, unless that doesn't happen I agree, why should the club be docked points?'"
No they haven't; they've said that they will 'work with creditors' or some similarly mealy-mouthed double-talk that infers for the terminally hard of thinking that they'll pay up when really, it means nothing of the sort.
Just as happened to us, there should be a 6 pt deduction, reduced to 4 if creditors are paid; it's in the rules and there is a precedent. If the RFL allow the Bulls to go unpunished and they avoid the drop because of it, they put themselves in an impossible position. Again.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 9154 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
13462.gif :13462.gif |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 21024 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41119.jpg A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha:41119.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Bit more here...
That makes a few things clearer.
As I read it, the RFL could see the club being torn apart and supported the best option to keep it going.
Sounds like they tried to help resolve between the two parties but it wasn't working.
They also make the point that they are discussing points deduction. Doesn't say they are not getting one.
I can see them negotiating a smaller one after they sort creditors.
That is in the rules so ok by me if that's what they agree.
For all the RFL get some stick, they have a responsibility to help clubs in trouble. If they just let clubs slip away they are not doing the game any good at all.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 836 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| When Andrew Glover was willing to take over Wakefield it was while we were awaiting ratification, (wasn't it over the Magic week-end that year) that we lost most of our players . How can these people be running the club without the approval of the RFL.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 13798 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
29100_1291104497.jpg 1/10:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29100.jpg |
|
| Still no mention of the winding up petition from HMRC. Also Blake Solly's statement flies in the face of the retracted statement we saw earlier on this thread. Much like the iconic Odsal explanation, it still leaves questions unanswered.
The Bulls and the RFL tried pulling the wool over the RL public's eyes with their actions over buying Odsal. Are they trying to do the same again? Like I said before, I'm not bothered if the Bulls suffer a points deduction or not. If fact I'd rather Trinity survive by getting more wins than the bottom two. What gets me is the points deduction apparently wasn't even an option for this club. It was a case of administration and you're out.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 836 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Sorry it's more the principle of the matter than the actual numbers. I,m struggling to accept what's happening at Bradford considering everything we have had to deal with and especially in the last few months. The frivolity of some of the Bulls fans on their forum over the matter is sickening.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2265 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
65068_1324055672.jpg What's pink & hard first thing in the morning?
The financial time crossword
[url=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/864/pinkhards.jpg/:39bjthd5][img:39bjthd5]http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/5724/pinkhards.jpg[/img:39bjthd5][/url:39bjthd5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_65068.jpg |
|
| Spin/Smoke & Mirrors.
No mention of the HMRC winding up order which has nothing to do with the £150k loan/debenture issue that the RFL/new BOD say was the reason for Admin, total bock & collocks
|
|
|
|
|
|