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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "Telling many people we were going into administration was bang out of order other fans got wind of this etc etc escalates. Very poor and surely you must realise this !!
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| Quote: El Rey "A bit like miss quoting what people said. thats also bang out of order.
Again for the record he said could.
You guys really need to decide where we go with this board in the future, do we lock everything thats posted that may be negative/harmfull and only allow positive rumours on this board.
Again for the record the mods decided to remove the original thread and tecnicaly broke our own rules in doing so. We have to follow guidelines (within reason) and are not allowed to "just decide" that because someone thinks its harmfull to remove it.
This is not the clubs own forum.'"
Don't think we need to start censoring, but potentially damaging allegations should be removed.
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| Quote: El Rey "A bit like miss quoting what people said. thats also bang out of order.
Again for the record he said could.
You guys really need to decide where we go with this board in the future, do we lock everything thats posted that may be negative/harmfull and only allow positive rumours on this board.
Again for the record the mods decided to remove the original thread and tecnicaly broke our own rules in doing so. We have to follow guidelines (within reason) and are not allowed to "just decide" that because someone thinks its harmfull to remove it.
This is not the clubs own forum.'"
It's never easy to decide, but FWIW, I think you guys made the right call. Whatever Bazzo wrote or meant to write, the way it came across was potentially very damaging to the club, and that's very unfair on those people who work there and whose livelihoods are connected with it.
People need to consider the repercussions of what they write. In this case, as AG has explained, the problems are down to cash flow, for the reasons he outlined. There was an offer to settle the winding up order, but the terms of payment were not accepted, so other ways of generating income to cover that in the meantime had to be looked at. When people suggest we [icould/will be [/igoing into admin as a result, that throws a completely different slant on things. We've already seen posters on here question whether they should buy discounted season tickets, and the knock-on effects of these sort of rumours are felt in other areas too. Potential sponsors may question whether they should bother dealing with the club, players may question whether their future is secure here, and so on and so forth. All on the back of a rumour which, lo and behold, turned out to be incorrect.
You say people need to decide what kind of a message board they have in the future. The question should be, what kind of a club do you want to have in the future? Do you want one at all? Because things like this, if they get out of hand, are the surest way of making this particular Mayan prophecy become reality.
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| Quote: El Rey "A bit like miss quoting what people said. thats also bang out of order.
Again for the record he said could.
You guys really need to decide where we go with this board in the future, do we lock everything thats posted that may be negative/harmfull and only allow positive rumours on this board.
Again for the record the mods decided to remove the original thread and tecnicaly broke our own rules in doing so. We have to follow guidelines (within reason) and are not allowed to "just decide" that because someone thinks its harmfull to remove it.
This is not the clubs own forum.'"
You are right, it's not the Club's forum it's a Fans Forum and there should be no censorship.
What we do need however is "self-censorship". I know that the majority of fans on this board are genuine fans who care passionately about the Club but please think before you post. Think what the post will achieve. If its nothing that we as fans can do anything about and it is likely to harm the club then please don't post it.
There are enough people out there wishing us to fail without our own fans, albeit unknowingly, giving them a helping hand so please THINK BEFORE YOU POST.
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| Questioning things that are based on fact are fine. Things like the CCJ's, the winding up order and the setting up of a new company are matters of public record and rightly should be questioned. AG's interview answered some of the ongoing issues and good on him for doing so, it is something that should be done regularly.
The problem is when things that are not based on publicly known fact and are open to conjecture are put out there, like we could be about to enter administration. All this does is spread like wildfire, get embellished and end up doing further damage. Unless you are 100% sure that rumours like this are true than it is better to err on the side of caution and leave the away from the public domain.
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| On the subject of rumour-mongering and negative spin by fans of other clubs - expect that to get worse, as the plans for SL from 2015 onwards are finalised; with the prospect of 2 clubs being relegated, our friends from over t'common will be getting twitchy, and if the only possibility of being saved is WTW going down the pan, that's exactly what some of them will wish for. Think NM vs GH, then multiply by 10.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "
Agree with all the above - as I have posted earlier a short news update from the club, periodically, would quash a lot of the 'rumours' posted on her before they becomes detrimental to the club.
The majority of fans have faith in the club management but clearly the well document issues such as ccj's etc do have a depressing effect, and stretch even the most loyal fans -simple official explanations are better than some of the stuff posted on here based solely on rumour - and lets face it the originators of some of the 'rumours' are - I'll be kind - letting their imaginations wander!
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| Quote: Theboyem "Questioning things that are based on fact are fine. Things like the CCJ's, the winding up order and the setting up of a new company are matters of public record and rightly should be questioned. AG's interview answered some of the ongoing issues and good on him for doing so, it is something that should be done regularly.
The problem is when things that are not based on publicly known fact and are open to conjecture are put out there, like we could be about to enter administration. All this does is spread like wildfire, get embellished and end up doing further damage. Unless you are 100% sure that rumours like this are true than it is better to err on the side of caution and leave the away from the public domain.'"
Even if you are 100% sure, if you can't prove it, don't post it. Wait for it to become public knowledge (which it surely will, if it's true) and comment on it then.
Otherwise, I completely agree with your post.
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| Errm lets have a bit of reality check here guys.
I was one of the first to say bazzo's post was harmful etc etc, but there are a few too many holier than thou type posts now I think.
It was a mistake to post imho, but it seems based on some facts so shouldn't really be burning him at the stake just yet should we.
Plenty of others would have done the same given the chance.
He's apologised, Glover has explained it, we've all had chance to pick on someone besides Mathers......let's move on.
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| Quote: bazzo44 "Apologise for what, speaking the truth, like the mods said i had done nothing wrong, so you say i have caused real problems come on then tell me, also like i have said before, the AG twitter had more to say on the club, not good stuff if i remember, do you want them to apologise. Rather have Pearman back, just shows how stupid you are, anyway this is the last i will comment on this. Just cool it and get over it'"
Bazzo I think you mis the point.
I'm not saying you're wrong though saying it was the truth when what you promised hasn't happened is pushing it, hey to me some of what AG said sounded like the same pap Ted was coming out with towards the end. I simply don't know and neither would it appear do you - but you could well be spot on who knows.
However being right doesn't always make it right. AG is not the club and posting what you did damages the good name of the club or what's left of it. AG would move on but the club hopefully would survive and the less bad publicity the better.
What would or could have happened if last week AG was on the brink of a new sponsorship or a deal with the banks or any other business related issue and said persons got wind of what you said and took it seriously?
I just can't see how posting what you did helps anybody including the fans I really can't.
Come on Baz, I for one believe you meant no malice but it was wrong and it was legally wrong - if I'd have been AG I would have shut this forum down if it had gone much further. Luckily not the case and we can move on.
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| Quote: El Rey "A bit like miss quoting what people said. thats also bang out of order.
Again for the record he said could.
You guys really need to decide where we go with this board in the future, do we lock everything thats posted that may be negative/harmfull and only allow positive rumours on this board.
Again for the record the mods decided to remove the original thread and tecnicaly broke our own rules in doing so. We have to follow guidelines (within reason) and are not allowed to "just decide" that because someone thinks its harmfull to remove it.
This is not the clubs own forum.'"
Forgetting everything else which I'm now happy to do having got it off my chest - but surely there were genuine legal implications on this one. That's what set it apart for me, basically Bazzo was suggesting that he had it on good authority that WTRLFC would or could whichever you want be bust by the weekend and creditors would not be paid. What if the security company took it seriously and demanded payment for stewarding before the next game which if we couldn't pay it pre match we'd have to cancel the game and forfit the points. As I said I don't think that was the aim of the post but it was reckless and IMHO above the normal stuff and was rightly locked.
He's apologised which is a big thing to do.
Free speech is an awkward thing but I think it's easier to decide on when the law states you cannot unfairly affect a companies ability to trade.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be high and mighty as I've made a few posts/mistakes like this in my time maybe worse - you live and learn.
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| Quote: vastman "Forgetting everything else which I'm now happy to do having got it off my chest - but surely there were genuine legal implications on this one. That's what set it apart for me, basically Bazzo was suggesting that he had it on good authority that WTRLFC would or could whichever you want be bust by the weekend and creditors would not be paid. What if the security company took it seriously and demanded payment for stewarding before the next game which if we couldn't pay it pre match we'd have to cancel the game and forfit the points. As I said I don't think that was the aim of the post but it was reckless and IMHO above the normal stuff and was rightly locked.
He's apologised which is a big thing to do.
Free speech is an awkward thing but I think it's easier to decide on when the law states you cannot unfairly affect a companies ability to trade.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be high and mighty as I've made a few posts/mistakes like this in my time maybe worse - you live and learn.'"
Right shake hands and move on Vasty
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