FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > Eric France |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 9974 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2019 | Feb 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "No I'm not saying its just Eric France in the world who've done that.
But given the fragility of most rugby league clubs (especially given Wakefield's history over the last 5 years) it does seem irresponsible.
It's frustrating to see you guys clearly turning a corner, then having more obstacles put in front of you'"
But thats life and to be fair to Wakey- it is absolutely out of our hands.
What we do to remedy the situation is another matter and we should be taking every opportunity to make a negative into a possitive - which is (i am led to believe) the situation.
As for Wakefields situation over the last five years that could read many other SL clubs situation Castlefords included who have huge debt tied to an individual, who given a bad year might want it back.
You only have to look at the high street to know this is a very unstable world and anyone linked to it s(uch as yourselves) could suffer at any time without any notice.
So like i said it COULD be anyone next, and as long as we are doing all that we can to make the sponsorship issue a better deal for the club then we are in far healthier state than we have been in the last five or even maybe ten years.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1427 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| yeah it's a good point you make, as always KC!
hopefully though in this "unstable world" people will see value from sponsoring WTW, or any rugby league team for that matter.
It'd be foolish to assume a great deal would be on the way, as any deal frankly would be better than the current situation.
Our position is precarious for totally different reasons. We are pretty much held to ransom by an individual who, though I firmly believe he has always had Castleford in his best interests, wll not leave without getting his money back and some
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4259 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2020 | Feb 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "HANG ON....
I'm missing something...
surely HMRC must have known at the start of this year the amount of unpaid tax this company owed.... Why the HELL did they not intervene (if possible) uon the announcement of a six-figure sponsorship of WTW.
If I were the tax man, I'd be saying "whoa whoa, hold on, this six figure sum, forget WTW, we'll have that"
And do WTW or the RFL not look into the stability of sponsors before agreeing?
Cas had a similar thing with Probiz, he didn't pay us... but he's ended up at Featherstone now!
Neglegence from pretty much everyone involved here isn't it????
...depending on te information available at the time, obviously.
Does this happen in any other sport? sponsors just not paying?'"
The bit you are missing, and I need to word this carefully at this stage until more is known, is that HMRC probably didn't know that EF owed them £21m in VAT until they turned up, probably unannounced and maybe with a court order in hand, to take a very detailed look into EF finances!!! I am sure I don't have to be any more obvious than this do I?
Equally, I suspect this won't stop here and I am sure this story will run for some time yet!
Suffice to say that HMRC (and Wakefield Trinity) had know way of knowing that EF would end up owing the VAT man £21m until they went looking recently.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1427 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I;m no expert, just seemed a little suspect that's all, in my untrained eye
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4259 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2020 | Feb 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "I;m no expert, just seemed a little suspect that's all, in my untrained eye'"
Is is very suspect Dave... and HMRC is not the suspect... if you get me!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1427 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| like I said before pal, it's commendable for EF to sponsor Wakefield from 2006 until yesterday... However the 'powers that be' in that firm must have realised upon penning agreements this year, that the company was on its last legs?
As i say, I'm no expert, but the signs of this happening must have been there for months - the £21m owed hasn't just popped up like a dandelion through a crack
I reckon it's impossible to get the money that wakefield are owed from a company that no longer exists (clarification once again required) ....I hope Trin can find some replacement of some sort, I would imagine the loss of a six figure sum would have some ramifications on coming seasons?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5507 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2017 | Nov 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "like I said before pal, it's commendable for EF to sponsor Wakefield from 2006 until yesterday... However the 'powers that be' in that firm must have realised upon penning agreements this year, that the company was on its last legs?
As i say, I'm no expert, but the signs of this happening must have been there for months - the £21m owed hasn't just popped up like a dandelion through a crack
I reckon it's impossible to get the money that wakefield are owed from a company that no longer exists (clarification once again required) ....I hope Trin can find some replacement of some sort, ]I would imagine the loss of a six figure sum would have some ramifications on coming seasons?]'"
Not if it replaced with another deal. Wakey are not owed a six figure sum. The whole yearly deal was worth a six figure sum paid for in installments, the last two or three of which i believe haven't been met. The rest would have been due monthly. If replaced quickly with a new deal (and talks have happened) the losses will be no more than around 30K. An improved deal with a range of new sponsors (which seeing as the EF deal wasn't actually that good value overall is more than possible) could cut that shortfall long term to zero.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1427 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| good
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4259 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2020 | Feb 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "like I said before pal, it's commendable for EF to sponsor Wakefield from 2006 until yesterday... However the 'powers that be' in that firm must have realised upon penning agreements this year, that the company was on its last legs?
As i say, I'm no expert, but the signs of this happening must have been there for months - the £21m owed hasn't just popped up like a dandelion through a crack
I reckon it's impossible to get the money that wakefield are owed from a company that no longer exists (clarification once again required) ....I hope Trin can find some replacement of some sort, I would imagine the loss of a six figure sum would have some ramifications on coming seasons?'"
I have sent you a PM in which I can be more open and explains what I am getting at!
The firm probably wasn't on it's last legs until the VAT man turned up and pointed out to the company that they owed a little more in VAT than they had paid so far!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1427 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2019 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I'm on the level, cheers mate
|
|
|
|
|
|