Agar still looking to bring "a couple more players in" according to todays Wakey Express.

Kevin Penny released..

Also on twitter Stu Howarth states hes looking forward to his new challenge? Anyone know what that means?? Hope we haven't lost him.

Veivers said same on facebook too, was he out of contract anyway after this season?

And Sam Obst paid off by Hull and going to a nearby championship club with a release clause for if a superleague club come in for him?

Going to york, and if one of the visas dont come off he will come to us.
The Agar Triangle!!!!!


Thats a guess by the way!!!!!

Not the team i heard. If he doesn't get a superleague deal it could be a slippery slope for him.....

As for York it would be a good place to Hyde a player for a season....

A bit disapointed if Howarth goes as i think he showed definate promise, but the numbers in the back row simply didnt/don't add up, so someone has to go. How much better Washbrook will prove to be is anyones guess??

Penny and Veivers just not upto it and hopefully can be replaced by Tongia. Only problem is, you are replacing 2 young English lads with another foreigner but if there not upto it, then so be it.

For me, Howarth is well worth keeping. He would have a first team spot or certainly be a contender.
Penny I think I'd let go unless he is on low wages.
Vievers, for exactly the reason you give about being English, I'd try and develop.

Veivers never got offered a contract. The figure i heard for Kevin Penny was 50K a year, whether that is true or not i'm not sure. One of Teds whims the story went. I would have kept Howarth on as well but dual reg'd him. He needs to bulk up a little but I think with a good pre-season behind him he would have something to offer.

I would be a bit disappointed to see Howarth go, I thought he showed some signs of promise last year.

Having said that if the players we have brought in are better then so be it. Looking at back row forwards we have

Mariano
Johnson
Southern
Lauititi
Morrison
Kirmond
Raleigh
Washbrook
Howarth

I know a couple of them may end up propping (Johnson, Raleigh??) but even so that's a lot of players to fit into 3 spaces in the team.

Howarth is a completely different player to most of those backrowers (probably same for washbrook), more an out and out LF and i would be disappointed if he left tbh. Thought he was one of our better players on a consistent basis and was pretty error free.

Come off it you cant develop someone just because they are young and english they have to show a bit of something ! Vievers showed nothing at all he is a very lucky lad to have been playing super league rugby!

Agree I think Howarth has some potential and wih better players around him could do a good job. Wonder whether he is the english based player off to Cas ?

Agreed. I think Washbrook and Howarth are fairly similar in there styles. Only difference been Washbrook is now at the stage where im not sure he will improve that much where as Howarth still had improvement in him. RA's call but if he does go i personally think he will go on to have a decent Super League career.

We all want a winning side but from a PR side of things to bring in John, Smith and (maybe Tongia??) and lose Howarth, Penny & Veivers in the same week is not the greatest stat.

I'm not sure I agree - Penny and Veivers are simply not up to the job, and since the average interested observer probably doesn't know or care what nationality the players are, losing them in favour of better players will probably be good PR.

Most 'casual' (i.e non-anorak, like us) fans just want to see good players winning games - on paper, our new squad looks like it can do significantly more of that than we've become used to; roll on next Feb.