Why do you think he would ruin our youngsters? What have you based this on? Why would you call him a loon?

Justin Morgan for starters, off the top of my head.

So, you say he's poor and your proved right because he won 2/16 and was sacked? Seem to remember Kear having a run along the same lines last year...... No shame in not being able to cut the mustard in the NRL, lets be honest most times we get somebody over here coaching (or playing for that matter) its becuase they aren't good enough for the NRL.......

Notice you dont mention his work at Leigh, taking a team that was "relegated" to the best team in the league, is that not success?

Quote: kinleycat "In 5 years of SL the bulls didn't finish out of the top 5 prior to Noble becoming manager, IMO the bedrock of that era of the club was fashioned by Brian Smith and Mathew Elliot. Sorry don't rate him.'" You really need to do some research.... [i "A Challenge Cup appearance in his first season was followed by a comprehensive defeat of Wigan in what was to be the first of five consecutive Grand Finals. In 2003 he became the first Coach to win ‘all four cups’ in the Super League era when he led the club to Challenge Cup, League Leader’s Trophy, Grand Final victory and then a victory in the World Club Championship. In 2005 he became the first Coach to lead a side from outside the top two to a Grand Final success when the Bulls defeated Leeds at Old Trafford."[/i Taken from: www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/content/ ... an%20Noble What more do you want from a coach.......

Quote: kinleycat "In 5 years of SL the bulls didn't finish out of the top 5 prior to Noble becoming manager, IMO the bedrock of that era of the club was fashioned by Brian Smith and Mathew Elliot. Sorry don't rate him.'" You really need to do some research.... [i "A Challenge Cup appearance in his first season was followed by a comprehensive defeat of Wigan in what was to be the first of five consecutive Grand Finals. In 2003 he became the first Coach to win ‘all four cups’ in the Super League era when he led the club to Challenge Cup, League Leader’s Trophy, Grand Final victory and then a victory in the World Club Championship. In 2005 he became the first Coach to lead a side from outside the top two to a Grand Final success when the Bulls defeated Leeds at Old Trafford."[/i Taken from: www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/content/ ... an%20Noble What more do you want from a coach.......

I would say he is a very, very strong contender. His methods may be a bit outdated compared to the newest coaches from Oz, but we dont need somebody to get us into Grand Finals, we need somebody to turn things round and get the spark back - something that I have no doubt he would do.

Kear has done his job and been rewarded for it - he pulled off the escape and deserves much praise for it - but that doesnt buy him immunity for ever and ever, let him see out his time and regardless of if we are in SL or not next year its time for a change as we have gone stale in my opinion. Give him a good send off for the work he has done (and done well in the past) but I think his days should be numbered ready for a new man.

So, when the time comes, the panel of experts to pick any future coach would be Elston and Glover? Better than Peter Fox I guess!

In response to Vastmans comment about terrace coaches, I would ask the following questions :

1. Would you expect a SL coach to be able to sort the defensive structure of his team out? We have been susceptible to being caught out on the fringes for at least the last two seasons - the players have changed but the coach is the same.

2. Would you expect a SL coach to pick the right players in the right positions? Again although the players have changed, Kear has had a habit of picking players in the wrong positions or picking people on reputation (and dropping people who have done nothing wrong) even when said players are not match fit.

3. Would you expect a SL coach to be able to use the interchange bench properly? Again prior to this season, I seem to recall Blaymire a specialist full back on the bench against Leeds at Headingly and coming on after 20-25 mins and earlier this season again against Leeds two players on the bench who did not come on until after an hour - meaning the work load was not shared evenly and other players were knackered.

4. Would you expect professional RL players, a number of whom are experienced SL players or young players from good RL environments under the guidance of a SL coach to be able to execute a less predictable attacking strategy than up to 5 drives and a kick?

5. Would you expect a SL coach to have a plan B when predictable plan A is not working?

6. Would you expect a SL coach to be able to see the things us terrace coaches can see and put measures in place in training to eradicate or minimise the potential of the same problems occurring repeatedly?

IMO the answer to all is YES and if we were talking about someone other than Kear (whose past achievements seem to affect peoples views of his performance over the last 12 months) would more people on here answer the above questions in the affimative. Again IMO they would.

OK, so let me get this right - you don't rate him because he took Elliots side to the Grand Final 5 years on the bounce and won it 3 times (and had a much better record than Elliott)? Don't forget all the other trophies they won too when Nobby was coaching (many more than Elliott)

He then went to Wigan and took a team that was bottom of the leage to safety and then on to within 80 mins of the Grand Final the next year, then the year after took the side to within 4 points of a Grand Final and the same the year after?

After this he then went to a new club and put together a scratch side on (presumably) very little budget and took them to the play offs?

Deary me, there's plenty of drivel written on here but to say you don't rate him shows you are either very, very, very difficult to please or you don't really understand what you are watching.......

Firstly his first season, he broke the salary cap signing fielden, if the RFL had argued it's case better/properly they would have been adequately deducted points and relegated. Following that his team finished sixth, fourth and sixth again, with a team that maguire coached to champions, mediocre I'd say.
Secondly my point about his time at the bulls was without doubt a success, but it was one built on the success firstly of others, where I think he failed is in his ability to further develop the side he inherited from Elliot. IMO he was only able to sign high profile expensive players to fit into a side of players on increasing wages, sooner or later the salary cap was going to bite and when it did Macnamara was left holding the baby.
Your point about the crusaders is a difficult one, as I have little confidence in anything to do with crusaders being fair and above board, thousands was spent on RFL support forming much of their debt, clearly money they did not have to spend.
Perhaps if JK could spend money he did not have his record over the last couple of tears would be improved.
For me Noble is 100% not the right man for WT in our circumstances, maybe if we are in SL next year and we are awash with money he may be, but I can't see that we will be.
I don't think he is quite as good as his reputation suggests under any degree of scrutiny of that record.
Just my opinion.

I'm of the exact same opinion. In fact, I couldn't believe that there was only me who saw it like that. When he took over at Crusaders they were so poor that any improvement would appear greater than it really was. And lets be honest, it's not difficult to improve a poor performing team; maintaining and improving even further is much harder. I think thats why he left, before he got found out.

How can you possibly argue he didnt improve Elliotts side when the facts say that he did? Its a crazy argument.

The other fact is he turned Wigan into a side that went from stone cold last in the league to the final elimination 3 years on the bounce - oh how we would have loved some of that mediocracy the 3 years after we was bottom of the league.....

Also Crusaders go into admin after Nobby has left them and its his fault for spending money he didnt have, but we go into admin whilst Kear is still in charge and its nothing to do with spending money? Nice comparrison.

Another crazy argument to suggest that when the coach who follows him into a job fails (McNammara) it is down to Nobby, but yet when the coach takes over from him wins the competition its shows that Nobby was poor all along?

Surely the same could be applied to Kear and the great escape, when inherriting Tony Smiths shower of .

I would rather have PW before Noble.

its not that i dont think he improved on Elliot, its more that he inherited the best team in the league, and took them on to their natural conclusion, look at the players rosta for Elliots final season and its basically the side that dominated that era of SL.
Where his failure as a coach lies IMO was the short sighted lack of fresh blood and cutting away of the high earners before he left, hence leaving macnamara, an average coach with a much weaker squad.
Had the RFL acted correctly IMO Wigan would have been relegated, they cheated, and IMO that is not what makes a great coach.
As far as i remember the Crusaders owed the RFL for coaching costs/fees, around £700k. If he was such a great coach, why? Again in simple terms he cheated, spending money you dont have we could all be far better at our jobs if money is no barrier.
the reason macnamara failed was nobles short sightedness, the reason maguire succeeded was because he was a far better coach.
All the traits that i have listed, would be no good for a club like us, he wont be building on a world beating side, we cant afford to cheat or spend megabucks, so he is not the man for the job.
Not crazy or drivel, just my opinion based on the facts as i see them.