I know, but if SL is such a lost cause why bother.

No I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying really. I mean in all honesty no NRL were jumping around after him so IF not when(before anyone Slags me off) he might be willing to play championship rugby. I mean brough did n a Aussie legend in Dave Peachey. If the money is offered the player is going to stay.

I'll just reiterate what I said earlier in the thread,



In the end the impact on Wildie depends largely on Wildie himself and partly on the man management of the situation by the coaching staff.

Good as he may be I think you are over the top saying he is one of the best young half backs in super league. He plainly is not.

It's a theory that's working for Brian McDermott. The good one who coaches Reading FC. Picks players on form and performing well in training and it's seen them on a great run of form. Too many passengers in the past have got games on name and not form.

Gareth was excellent in patches for us last year, and scored some quality tries with his trademark 'show and go'. His kicking is also very good, both from hand and in terms of kicking at goal.

He has the potential to go along way, but tended to 'go missing' in games, usually against bigger clubs, where there wasnt as much space to play in. At times he can dictate a game but only tends to do it in spurts. His defence is also a big worry, with him being caught out and 'run over' numerous times at Championship Level.

The defensive problems are perhaps a result of his size, but to play at the top level when your as physically small as that you need to be a real star peformer, i.e. Alfie Langer, Shaun Edwards, Rob Burrow. And Gareth is even smaller than those guys.

He perhaps has the potential to play at SL but at the moment he is miles of that IMO. He wasnt even first choice at Batley after the first couple of games this year, as Karl Harrison prefers a combo of Paul Handforth and Paul Mennell, who I feel, and alot of other Batley supporters agree, are superior players, especially Handforth.

With Mennell injured yesterday, we played a full back Ian Preece (who was also rumoured to have a broken hand) at 7, and to be honest he looked just as good as Gareth, and alot more willing to get involved so to speak.

Unless his kicking game is at his best, I do honestly feel he would struggle to even be first choice in the top 3 or 4 Championship teams. He certainly isnt the same level as Liam Finn at Fev, or Brambani from Dewsbury who's already been mentioned on here.

His body language has been quite poor this season too, maybe as a result of not getting the SL contract he wanted at the start of the year. This possibly explains some people having a bit of animosity towards him.

Maybe training with full time pro's will make a big difference, but personally I really couldnt imagine seeing him play in SL anytime soon.

For Gareth's sake I do hope im wrong though, and wish the lad all the best with you guys.

What an absolute croc of e this first time poster has put on here......its quite laughable really possibly another one of the envy crew !! Do you really think if any of the rubbish you have written was correct someone with the experience and knowledge of John Kear would not have seen these ridiculous points you have come out with.
My personal favourite is that...wait for it Preece played there once and he is a better scrum half....EDIT.
So let me get this right.....we have a natural scrum half with supposedly best kicking game in Championship
has been in the Leeds system for a lot of years, broke club points records, and championship young player of
the year in championships and you reckon a journeyman full back after one game is a better half back.......EDIT!
As for the 'better players' yeah right......thats why they are still there....

No need for the name calling. RR

I gave my opinion thats all. No need to get offensive or start the name calling.

No envy whatsoever, and got no animosity towards Gareth at all. I really hope he does make the grade. All im saying is that is Wakey are looking for an instant 'hit' then Gareth isnt that. If they are looking at 18 months/2 years then who knows.

And if you read what I said, I never actually stated that Ian Preece is a better 7 than Gareth, simply that he looked just as effective, especially this season where in the games he has played, he has been more or less anominous. John Kear has forgotten more about this game than i'll ever know, but so has Karl Harrison. So in many ways your saying KH knows absolutely nothing by not having Gareth as first choice recently. Coincidently at a time when we've won 4 out of 5 games.

With the greatest respect to JK, who I like alot as a coach, i'm sure he's made a few signings that havent worked out, just like other coaches, so it's pretty illogical Quinny to say that just because John rates him, that everyone else's opinion is garbage. Especially people who've watched him play 20-30 live games.

I normally post on our site, but always like to read other clubs forums (though very rarely comment), and posted on here simply because it was a thread I was interested in.

For what its worth i've always had a soft spot for Wakey since standing on the terraces during the early 90's with my dad's mate (big Trinity fan), and watching the likes of Bell, and a young Nigel Wright. I feel genuinely sorry for your club at the moment, and really hope the rumours are wrong. Wakey deserve to be in SL far more than the Crusaders or Harlequins, to name just 2. Maybe its due to current circumstances that JK has been left with little choice in terms of recruitment, but could you have imagined Wakey signing someone who wasnt even an automatic selection at a Championship Club 2 or 3 years ago. Thats really the jist of what I was trying to say. But again it is solely my opinion. However it isnt an opinion based on envy or anger towards Gareth Moore, who did a good job last year for us. I've also met Gareth and he's a nice lad, just in my opionion not as good as our first choice halves (Mennell and Handforth) or at THIS MOMENT in time for SL.

End of the day its all about opinion. Just no need for childish name calling because my opinion differs from yours.

P.S and i've seen Wakey 6 times this season, and Ian Preece wouldnt do any worse than some of the players i've seen at FB or on the wing for you.

smaller than Burrow ? thats more rubbish he is bigger than Rob. He was at Leeds a number of years so I know (unless he has shrunk that is)

Maybe slightly taller Roy, but certainly alot lighter, and nowhere as strong or aggressive as Rob. Gareth was parked near us yesterday and he looks as small off the pitch as he does on it. And sometimes its deceptive...a prime example being Sam Tompkins, who on TV looks quite dimunitive, yet didnt up close yesterday when he was stood on the terrace watching his younger brother Logan play for Widnes.

according to profiles on club sites Rob is shorter by a few inches and lighter by more than half a stone. Rob has been in a full time enviroment for nearly 10 years as well as being professionally conditioned so comparing the two is ridiculous. I dont think anyone would expect his arrival would see Wakey fly to the top of the table and obviously Kear has done his homework. I remember the same comments about Danny Brough many years ago and look where he is now after a number of years under the same coach in a full time enviroment, probably the best all round british half back we have.
I tend to believe in developing young british players rather than slating them before they have pulled on a shirt.
Until we produce and develop our own players in key positions we will always be miles away from the Aussies.
Moore was voted young player of the year in the championship which if I am correct is voted for by all the head coaches in that League. On this basis I assume that you are also questioning each and everyone of those coaches opinions too ??
Lets be realistic if you were to throw a young kid straight into SL there is no doubt that it would take time to get up to speed, to get to the fitness and strength levels of existing players with a full pre season behind them, and also a number of games into the season and to be introduced without having that experience this season will make the move harder but you take the chance when it comes ?
Clubs now send out their young players to play at a tougher level against men and seasoned players in the championship to make the transition to SL easier and this is exactly the same scenario here in theory.
The lad has done enough in the opinion of professional coaches to warrant an opportunity and time as well as full time
training will dictate how it works out.

Im not comparing Gareth Moore to Rob Burrow in terms of ability. I was simply trying to say that to be as dimunitive as Gareth is, you've got to be something special to cut the mustard at SL. Which is why I used Rob B as an example.

Your completely correct though....after a few years Gareth may reach that level. Or he may not. I hope he does, as it would be good to see a young, english half make it at the top level. If that's Wakey's plan then it's one without risk, as there was obviously no fee involved.

My opinion was based simply on what ive seen of Gareth in his time at Batley. He had some cracking games, and some very quiet ones. His record with the boot was excellent. I cant make a judgement on whether he will make it at SL in 2 or 3 years, all I can do is give my view as to whether he would make it at this moment in time. And the simple answer to that is NO. Sticking him in the first 13 and expecting instant success would be unfair, especially on Gareth. But is that Wakey's intention or is it to let him develop in the 23's for a year or too. Or even on Dual Reg, but im not sure Gareth would be that keen on that.

My own opinion would be that Gareth would have been far better suited having another year at Championship Level, whether that be at Batley or another club. Dont forget last year was his first full season at professional level. His only prior experience had been loan spells, and judging by the comments on the respective forums, not particularly successful ones, at York and Hallifax. However you cant blame the lad for taking an opportunity when its presented to him.

Gareth was voted Young Championship player of the year, and deserved that. Recieving that accolade however doesnt mean you are automatically going to make it at a higher level. It's awarded at the level he was playing at. And last year Gareth was the best young half back in the division.

At the same time, from our point of view, if Gareth doesnt want to stay, then its no loss, especially when he hasnt even been getting in the side recently, and we've been winning games without him. That doesnt mean that he cant go onto to be a v.good player in the future though.

I'll be interested in watching his development at Wakey and when John Kear decides to give him a taste of the first team. And i'll be doing so hoping Gareth succeeds.

I also agree about Brough. He should be one of the first names on the teamsheet for the next International games.

Could turn out to be a decent signing in time, will have a better kicking game than anyone else at the club. Batley are far from happy with us though.

I've also heard that we're not happy with the way in which the deal was conducted. Moore had a release clause in his contract that the club was happy to honour if a SL club approached us for his services. However, I believe the deal was done behind Batley's back, and was allegedly initiated by the player and his associates themselves.

Don't see why. Apparently he is not that great, can't tackle, goes missing in big games, is full of his own self importance and throws a strop when things don't go his way.

Sounds like Trinity have done Batley a favour, if the move comes to pass.