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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Produce evidence of an isolated novel virus, CDC admit this has not being done, paper from CDC admit that they used a computer algorithm to produce a 'virus' and then by consensus declared it as SARS0-COV-2
All the data from around the world proves there's no pandemic, never was and certainly isn't a second wave.
And that's not a wifi password, but you'll never have enough brain power to deduce what it is, are you 'blue pill people', wishing for your freedom to be taken away, you want society to continued to be destroyed and more lives lost because of the criminal actions taken by governments around the world. If you're not then why are you backing what these criminals are doing and not looking at proper science/data, unlike the wildly distorted crud coming out of the supposed leaders?'"
Oh my days. Completely teapot lid.
The fact there are so many of these people in society is almost as big a concern as the actual virus. | | |
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Quote: MatthewTrin "From your reuters articles “[iT[/i[ihere are now hundreds of stocks of cultured SARS-CoV-2 in laboratories around the world[/i”
Wasn't there a claim amongst "conspiracy theorists" that the cultured stocks did not satisfy all four of Koch's postulates?
1. The organism must be regularly associated with the disease and its characteristic lesions.
2. The organism must be isolated from the diseased host and grown in culture.
3. The disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the organism is introduced into a healthy, susceptible host.
4. The same organism must be reisolated from the experimentally infected host.
[i"It fulfils at least some of Koch’s postulates (the conditions that should be met in order to determine whether an infectious agent causes a particular disease). The totality of available evidence demonstrates that the SARS-CoV-2 virus both exists and is the cause of the disease COVID-19."[/i
Can you tell me how a virus can fulfil the original Koch's postulates and why Rivers postulates are used instead?
https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_koch's_po ... to_viruses
https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/pape ... ulates.pdf
https://paramedicsworld.com/virology-no ... studynotes
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Quote: MatthewTrin "From your reuters articles “[iT[/i[ihere are now hundreds of stocks of cultured SARS-CoV-2 in laboratories around the world[/i”
Wasn't there a claim amongst "conspiracy theorists" that the cultured stocks did not satisfy all four of Koch's postulates?
1. The organism must be regularly associated with the disease and its characteristic lesions.
2. The organism must be isolated from the diseased host and grown in culture.
3. The disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the organism is introduced into a healthy, susceptible host.
4. The same organism must be reisolated from the experimentally infected host.
[i"It fulfils at least some of Koch’s postulates (the conditions that should be met in order to determine whether an infectious agent causes a particular disease). The totality of available evidence demonstrates that the SARS-CoV-2 virus both exists and is the cause of the disease COVID-19."[/i
Can you tell me how a virus can fulfil the original Koch's postulates and why Rivers postulates are used instead?
https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_koch's_po ... to_viruses
https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/pape ... ulates.pdf
https://paramedicsworld.com/virology-no ... studynotes
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| Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "There you go you get asked for facts and turn it around then go off at a tangent now with Blair et al over the Iraq war you couldn't make it up 
No doubt they carried out the poll in sillicon valley for good measure. 
I hope the rest of your amazing statistics are more credible than this lot.
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1575 interviews - YouGov Ratings data collected between July 2020 and October 2020
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| Quote: Miro "RW&B asked me this
Seriously? you think that people in the US have never heard of Bill Gates? wow!
From a poll of 1575 interviews. Yes, just 1575 folks out of the whole of the US of A. Less than watch Batley.
Go on, percentage that out. 1,575...really ? ![]()
That really is how polls work.
I suggest you get in touch with YouGov and point out where they're going wrong with their polling techniques. They're new to the field, so I'm sure they'd appreciate your expert advice.
While your at it you could work out the margin of error for the poll and whether that could take it from 96% to less than 50%.
What's the probability that 96% positives are selected from a pool of less than 50% positives.
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| Quote: PopTart "Not that I disagree with your point, but when was your last post about rugby?'"
Seriously, you have nothing better to than defend this joker? The one who stoops to accusing a fellow poster of “paranoid psychosis.” The one who contributes nothing, And you a moderator? By Eck Pop Tart, this shows how desperate you are to have a pop at yours truly. (no pun intended)
Answer: October 26th 2020. No one respoded to the rugby bit, only the "covid" bit. I mean, what can ya do??? I tried. | | | |
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| Quote: coco the fullback "That really is how polls work.
I suggest you get in touch with YouGov and point out where they're going wrong with their polling techniques. They're new to the field, so I'm sure they'd appreciate your expert advice.
While your at it you could work out the margin of error for the poll and whether that could take it from 96% to less than 50%.
What's the probability that 96% positives are selected from a pool of less than 50% positives.'"
This is the guy who poo pood 600,000 signatures , now he's saying 1,575 from the whole of the USA is meaningfull figure. I don't care what yougov say, it aint.
This is why they get it so wrong, YouGov my arris. Not suprised tthese pollsters got the Brexit forcast wrong or Trump winning the race for the White House, or Corbin.....No, I'll stop here.
Remember, " Lies, damned lies, and statistics " is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. | | |
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Quote: Miro "This is the guy who poo pood 600,000 signatures , now he's saying 1,575 from the whole of the USA is meaningfull figure. I don't care what yougov say, it aint.
This is why they get it so wrong, YouGov my arris. Not suprised tthese pollsters got the Brexit forcast wrong or Trump winning the race for the White House, or Corbin.....No, I'll stop here.
Remember, " Lies, damned lies, and statistics " is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.'"
I am beginning to worry about your grasp of basic arithmetic.
The 600,000 signatures. I forget what the petition was for now.
What proportion of the population could have signed that if they had wished?
What was the petition? how was it carried out?
This is [inot [/ia survey or poll. This is the total number of people who signed, it says nothing about the people who chose not to sign. This is the total number who supported the petition.
As for Brexit:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... ndum-model
On 21st June 2016 YouGov had leave with 51%, down from a peak of 53% on 12th June.
However, this was well within the margin of error for the survey, and hence the poll results were inconclusive.
Back to your example. You claim that 'most' Americans had never heard of Bill Gates. A survey conducted by YouGov found that 96% had heard of him.
It's not clear what you intended to mean by 'most', so we'll take it as 51% (a very generous interpretation of 'most')
Population of US = 329,516,498 (latest census figure)
So, according to you at least 168,053,414 people have never heard of Bill Gates (one time richest man in the world, regardless of what job he did)
survey sample size = 1575
Result 96% of 1575 = 1512 people surveyed said they knew Bill Gates
So, the question is, what's the probability of selecting 1575 people at random from a population with 49% who know Bill Gates and finding 1512 people who say they know him.
You'll need to use binomial probability.
Answer: 1.72 x 10^-335 chance or 0.(335 zeroes)172
= pretty damned close to impossible
To put it another way, if you have a huge bag of red and blue balls (and there are more red than blue), what are the chances of pulling out 1575 balls and finding 1512 of them are blue and only 63 red? |
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Quote: Miro "This is the guy who poo pood 600,000 signatures , now he's saying 1,575 from the whole of the USA is meaningfull figure. I don't care what yougov say, it aint.
This is why they get it so wrong, YouGov my arris. Not suprised tthese pollsters got the Brexit forcast wrong or Trump winning the race for the White House, or Corbin.....No, I'll stop here.
Remember, " Lies, damned lies, and statistics " is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.'"
I am beginning to worry about your grasp of basic arithmetic.
The 600,000 signatures. I forget what the petition was for now.
What proportion of the population could have signed that if they had wished?
What was the petition? how was it carried out?
This is [inot [/ia survey or poll. This is the total number of people who signed, it says nothing about the people who chose not to sign. This is the total number who supported the petition.
As for Brexit:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... ndum-model
On 21st June 2016 YouGov had leave with 51%, down from a peak of 53% on 12th June.
However, this was well within the margin of error for the survey, and hence the poll results were inconclusive.
Back to your example. You claim that 'most' Americans had never heard of Bill Gates. A survey conducted by YouGov found that 96% had heard of him.
It's not clear what you intended to mean by 'most', so we'll take it as 51% (a very generous interpretation of 'most')
Population of US = 329,516,498 (latest census figure)
So, according to you at least 168,053,414 people have never heard of Bill Gates (one time richest man in the world, regardless of what job he did)
survey sample size = 1575
Result 96% of 1575 = 1512 people surveyed said they knew Bill Gates
So, the question is, what's the probability of selecting 1575 people at random from a population with 49% who know Bill Gates and finding 1512 people who say they know him.
You'll need to use binomial probability.
Answer: 1.72 x 10^-335 chance or 0.(335 zeroes)172
= pretty damned close to impossible
To put it another way, if you have a huge bag of red and blue balls (and there are more red than blue), what are the chances of pulling out 1575 balls and finding 1512 of them are blue and only 63 red? | |
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| Quote: Miro "No. it's not the need to “put them right” it's defending my posts. Would it be better if I ignore everyone? Then I would be called ignorant, and worse, running away. ![]()
My dear Miro I have no desire for you not to continue your postings just questioning why you fear broadening your audience and are content to be a 'big' contributor in a small pool. I encourage you to take your views to a bigger audience I am sure despite your assertions of modesty you crave attention if not we would not have progressed from page 15, a progression caused by the need for you to have the last 'response.
You make reference to my 'covid beliefs; would you care to tell me what they are? ( pointless inclusion of a second question mark and the ending 'oops' a mild effort at you being condescending , no oops from me I'm sure you are aware of my disdain towards your posts and efforts at attempting to be superior so to take a little from your style, Miro my dear a response from you is not necessary but I am sure you will once again seek to have the last response. Slightly contradictory but you can tell me what my beliefs are it would churlish of me to ask a question of you and then deny you the response, particularly as I am keen to know they are in the world that is Miro (I still see you as Arkwright0
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| Quote: Miro "This is the guy who poo pood 600,000 signatures , now he's saying 1,575 from the whole of the USA is meaningfull figure. I don't care what yougov say, it aint.
This is why they get it so wrong, YouGov my arris. Not suprised tthese pollsters got the Brexit forcast wrong or Trump winning the race for the White House, or Corbin.....No, I'll stop here.
Remember, " Lies, damned lies, and statistics " is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.'"
OK, I've found your petition
Your petition didn't even get this common courtesy.
Obviously, online petitions are not accessible to everyone and not all will be engaged in such a way, despite social media viral effects.
So, to try and get some perspective on the scale of 600k signatures on such a petition.
In the UK, the big Brexit petitions reached something like 6 million signatures.Say an equal number are also against, that's 12 million. So, as a ballpark 20% of the population are actively able to sign petitions in the UK.
Assuming the similar proportions in the US, that's 60 million people.
So, as an estimate, your petition got 600k out of a potential 60 million, or a whole 1%.
It was then totally ignored by the government, despite meeting their requirements for a response.
Treated with the contempt it deserves. | | |
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| Quote: Miro "Seriously, you have nothing better to than defend this joker? The one who stoops to accusing a fellow poster of “paranoid psychosis.” The one who contributes nothing, And you a moderator? By Eck Pop Tart, this shows how desperate you are to have a pop at yours truly. (no pun intended)
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Such a short post and you miss or choose to miss the part where I say "not that I don't agree with you"
But the point is, it's a bit rich accusing someone of only posting about Covid when it is literally your life's work right now.
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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Produce evidence of an isolated novel virus, CDC admit this has not being done, paper from CDC admit that they used a computer algorithm to produce a 'virus' and then by consensus declared it as SARS0-COV-2
All the data from around the world proves there's no pandemic, never was and certainly isn't a second wave.
And that's not a wifi password, but you'll never have enough brain power to deduce what it is, are you 'blue pill people', wishing for your freedom to be taken away, you want society to continued to be destroyed and more lives lost because of the criminal actions taken by governments around the world. If you're not then why are you backing what these criminals are doing and not looking at proper science/data, unlike the wildly distorted crud coming out of the supposed leaders?'"
"lives destroyed by governments around the world"
Well, there's something that NEVER happened before. Where do you want to go with this subject ??
You ask if "we" ant our freedom taken away and yes some of the countries that have "got rid" of the virus seem happy to return the "freedoms" that their people had previously - not quite the lesson in control that "some" are trying to convince us all about  | | |
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| Quote: coco the fullback "OK, I've found your petition:
Of course it didn't get a "common courtesy" response. Why would the White House stoop to replying to only 600,000 people.
I had to smile when watching the TV program. "Succession" when one of the very very wealthy characters declared to his dirt poor relative.
I paraphrase here:
"You know, it's fkn great being rich, fkn great and you know what? The authorities won't touch you"
adding
"Yeah, we get to wear Superman costumes made by Armani."
Note "won't" not "can't"
I believe the author of this program has done his research very well indeed.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It's called the scattergun approach.
Standard deflection tactics when the argument is lost.
There are literally hundreds of websites churning out the same bilge that Miro is trying to convince the RL world about.
Some of them enjoy setting mobile phone masts on fire.
Too many sci fi movies at a young age but, they really have latched on to the covid issue, big time.'"
Here we go folks, sci fi movies, setting masts alight. Any one see the hypocrisy let alone the shear stupidity of this post? | | |
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| Quote: PopTart "Such a short post and you miss or choose to miss the part where I say "not that I don't agree with you"
But the point is, it's a bit rich accusing someone of only posting about Covid when it is literally your life's work right now.'"
Oh come on Pop Tart. He totally objects to this thread so why sign up to land on here? Talk about a troll.
Somewhat different to my perspective who came on here to honor the threads title.
PS. Is it now ok to accuse fellow posters of having a mental illness Mr Moderator?
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