I wonder if the fact that the number of people dying of Covid is reducing significantly is anything to do with social distancing?

Tha bloody whet?!?! I pay fo’ mi pint wi cash onli!!!!!

As I said, the common flu virus has been killing more people than Covid 19 and has been since June this year(also verified figures) Anybody with serious health issues are more likely to die also if they contract flu/ pneumonia.
I did point out for healthy people the chances are tiny, the figures by age group are out there and they show the elderly with other health issues are the most likely to die from Covid 19, this also applies to the elderly contracting the flu or pneumonia and currently roughly 13 times more people are dying from flu pneumonia than covid .

And to add to my post minutes ago, social distancing isn't stopping the common flu virus killing 13 times more people than covid 19 is it, I rest my case.

That number comes from the Sun and Mirror. Its been debunked since then.
It's answered in exactly the same way that Miro justifies Covid.

The numbers you quote are people who died with flu as one of the symptoms on the death certificate..... Not the cause of death.

can I ask why is they no fluctuations in the flu deaths due to reduced contact, as it the ability to picked up in a differently as you seem to be quite knowledgeable in the medical department

There are many strains of the flu virus - hence why even with a vaccine there are still many deaths.
Because of this, contact - even reduced contact would make no difference to the numbers either.

You said this "and if not going on holiday will stop even 1 person dying I think it's worth it. "
That infers, if I'm not wrong, that someone may die if you fly and therefore, using the same logic someone may die if you drive around in your car...and the rest.

As for the other, I don't agree. I have, for example, answered a question about why so many countries in the world are all in lockstep with each other yet you all ignore this and simply fall back on nit picking two or three words in a sentence and ignore all other points I try to raise.. All talk disends to the rules i.e masks, distancing, statistics real and bogus etc. I have tried to open up the debate to include the bigger picture and provided plenty of links (on the other thread) but almost no one, including yourself, are willing to debate these issues.

For example, I posted the report using links from a scientific panel appointed by the German the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities. The report did not accept the official (and your) narrative and was immediatly buried (cencord) by the German government. I won't go back over that but just to say everyone ignored it on this forum (except Wrencat) including you. It was an example of government cencorship that we also have here. That was just one example, or two if you include the lockstep explanation.
So you see Pop Tart, I try to debate but without a response it just seems like I'm "lecturing" and then I end up letting myself be dragged back to nit picking over minor points and yes, I'm guilty of it.

In fact I'm going to nit pick Dreadnought right now.
Naaah !!!

Jeeeez...is that the time, Night all.




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But that's the point I guess. If there is a statewide or world wide opinion that you then challenge, the onus is on you to prove your case. You quote single people who challenge but that in itself isn't proof. You tend to then challenge everyone and say prove me wrong.

I haven't got all the facts to hand but I know people are dying because every news agency and every government says so. For you to challenge something that big can't be just done by throwing a fact in here and there. It has to be sound and logical and have substance. Much of your evidence, although very well written works on the basis that everyone else is lying. I just find that hard to believe.

And when we get into specifics like the pub scenario. To me, even if you are right, there is no hardship to rage against. Wearing masks and cleaning hands is just a good idea, covid or flu or other virus.
In terms of crowds at sporting events. That's tough there is no doubt but until the cases of Covid are under control it also seems like a good idea. We suffer more than most as we don't have a lot of money in the sport but it's down to the RFL to find a way.

And the car implication you speak of isn't quite accurate. We all know there is a risk to driving. We don't drive like maniacs following our own rules. We follow government guidelines to drive at a speed limit to make the road safer. So if driving on a motorway that has always been 70 miles an hour, at 60 miles an hour because the limit has changed to make it safer, means it may save one life. Yep I do that. Don't you?

Miro can you please tell us all what kind of medical expertise you have to back up all your claims please

nit pick all you want fella, we all know I'm harder than you.

Pretty much everyone else except us are allowed to pilot test crowds returning.