Have you a quote from 88m?

I have a feeling, may be wrong, that that was a story started on here that somehow became fact.

Simple point - if BV is the best option why didn't the Council/Yorkcourt/the Club (who were advised by the Council not to) buy the ground and the Superbowl for less than a million pounds in total a year ago?

Mr 88m stands to make ten times that by simply re-offering the same deal that was available a year ago!

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but this one has gone way beyond theory - it just plain odd - none of it makes any sense at all.

Even if it happens it still makes no economic sense because somebody most notably YC and 88m are almost certainly going to make a killing at the ratepayers expense. Fact, this could have happened a year ago for far less money and without the need to bring in yet another developer. Also why do people think 88m are in any way more trustworthy than Yorkcourt?

As I say I hope it happens and I'm made to look a wally on this one - I'd happily live with it.

There were plans for a redevolped Belle Vue drawn up about 18 months ago that sounded suspiciously like what we got released all of a sudden a month or so back, those had the hospitality moving to the east stand, a new stand to replace the flats and a revamp of the terracting in the north & west stands with new roofing, toilets, bars etc added. I’d guess these were dragged out of a drawer somewhere, a few minor edits added and then some idealisation regarding retail and residential put in to make it look the works. I doubt the details were gone through with a fine tooth comb though which is what is happening now at a guess. It was said to me that these things normally take much longer but due to ‘some things already being available’ then it cut the time down required, although it was still said that 6 weeks is short and at least two months was the working brief to make sure it was right first time. I have heard nothing else since but this would still fit with that timescale. I’m not worried yet, ask me in a months time though and it might just be a different answer.

What worries me more right now is financing it. Most if the money will be borrowed, along with some from government grants. Now interest rates are due to rise next month making it more expensive straight away and as was mentioned earlier by someone there is also a budget next month. Local authorities will likely cop the cuts again and there is talk that government handouts will become harder to come by, so the grant funding could be affected. With business rates rising as well getting firms to sign up to the site won’t be easy, let alone the fact that rising inflation is likely to slow the economy. Throw in the fact that it was revealed this week that housing prices have been falling month on month now meaning building new ones isn’t as profitable for a developer then its potentially the perfect storm.

I certainly remember them saying they would have plans for a revamped ground ready in 3 months, and that 3 months came and went. Comment was made on here about it. I’m suggesting they did the plans, other things occurred to blacken the waters but as this is seen as the way forward, out the plans come.

People are saying that Box has sold this pup to keep everyone quiet for a while, but why would he do that? Until that point, the stance of WMDC appeared to be that it was nothing to do with them, Yorkcourt too. They could have just carried on with that line and let MC sell up or go elsewhere. There'd been some fall-out, but there will be this time too, because they'd made public the financing plans.

Every decision involves weighing up all the options. Are people really saying that Box and WMDC made a conscious decision to embark on another doomed project, with all that follows from the doom, without any intention to carry it through? I can't see why anyone would do that, with all the work it involves.

I just don't see an advantage in going public with plans when refusal to get involved had worked just fine. If he had no intentions to see it through, he could have just maintained the stance adopted until that point.

The designs shown were obviously reworked ones from a couple of years ago, it's unlikely that an architectural design company would have used the old logo when we have a new one, but it is likely that they forgot to change the logo on some of the designs to the new logo which is why some of the designs still had the Wildcats logo on them

That's how I see it, Slugger



Time will tell

Nice one get the ratepayers against it aswell.

I thought the suggestion came from MC, I'm pretty sure it was said that there would be plans produced and maybe a 3D model within 3 months, but then again that was a year or so since.I'm not convinced the new ground will materialise, When these new plans came it came from no where, it all seemed too convenient, how/why would plans be put together without the input form MC and CB, who on the council has the nouse to put all the facilities needed in a modern stadium? Who knows the clubs requirements? The parking issue shouldn't be a problem, Heath common is nearby, a load of Tarmac from the travellers on the common should sort that out.

Yes because ratepayers base their opinion on the content of this forum!

However big fan of the club I may be and redeveloping BV has been a long held dream of mine. But why should the ratepayer most of whom have no interest in our club get taken for a ride. That makes us no better than the rest of them.

I reckon the monies so far wasted by WMDC on these failed stadium developments could have secured the ground and probably redeveloped the main stand by now if used wisely.

It's an utter disgrace whether we end up with a ground or not.

I've got to admit, you've lost me.

How exactly will the ratepayers be affected by this development? Are Council Tax bills going up to directly support it? Have the council identified some service that needs cutting in order to service the govt. loan?

Honest questions - what have I missed?