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| Quote: wotsupcas "Wigan left a huge amount of history behind when they left Central Park. They seem ok in their new place. We'll be ok in ours when we get it.'"
Fair point but the jjb isn't miles from the centre of Wigan or nearly in st helens'" ]
That's a good point I always miss as I live Newmarket side of town.
I'm not bothered about it being near Cas though.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "Wigan left a huge amount of history behind when they left Central Park. They seem ok in their new place. We'll be ok in ours when we get it.'"
Wigans ground is still in the middle of wigan and the town is wigan rl mad. Newmarket is in the middle of fields in no man's land. Like it or not Newmarket will kill this club, the stadium will be a dead duck sat there mostly empty and a generation of fans will be lost to put club. I suggest TRB you can't say anything cause there's nothing to say. If the club as such a cast iron case against the council or developer's going against the government's decision then why don't we go to review. Your mate TRB had a stadium out on plate at a meeting with councillor croxhall and turned it down with a What's in it for me. Throughout the fight over the last 10 15 20 years for a new ground we stay at bv while other clubs plan and deliver at Dewsbury, fev, batley. The biggest problem now TRB is we have no assets to bargain with and who s faults that your mates again. Il put this to you Newmarket will not get built and it's not the council's fault or the developers or swags efforts, the blame is firmly with all the bad management the club has had prior to MC taking over.
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| With all due respect, I think the site at NM gets a bad press. It may appear isolated and 'in the middle of a field' but that's because it's on the edge/inside greenbelt where building is not allowed. It is also not within the City boundaries as Stanley had its own council prior to 1974, like Cas.
It would be interesting to compare how many current Trin Fans live within 1-2 miles of the two sites.
Stanley/Outwood is now continuous housing, they've done nothing but build there for 40 years and the population has exploded. It is also relatively affluent due to being commuter belt for Leeds, so there are a lot of newcomers who are potential new fans (although many are already Rhinos). There is also the new link road being built from Wakefield through Eastmoor and Stanley Ferry to the M62 along with lots more housing.
The painful truth is that within a few decades Wakefield will be no more than a suburb of 'Greater Leeds'. It's already started.
It won't be easy and it will be very different, particularly the matchday experience. The change will need to be managed well, but IMO it is the future. A purpose built 21st century stadium; nostalgia won't pay the bills. It would be a different kind of stadium, much easier to use for a variety of purposes, all year round, especially so close to the M62/M1. I could become a centre of sporting excellence as well as conference and meeting facilities.
Change is difficult and, personally, I would rather stay at BV . I hate sitting down to watch rugby and I don't need fancy toilets. However, if the club is to survive and thrive over the next 50 years, staying at BV will make it a much bigger challenge. Unless we come into a lot of money (probably more than it would cost to build NM) BV is not the answer.
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| I still find it amazing that many think N M will be the answer to the club's problems, it will not.
N M was never the right location for me and in desperation and years of let downs I can understand why it's become so important.
A new stadium indeed a community stadium should be at the heart of the community not 2/3 bus rides away.
B V should be looked at favourably if NM the only option. I would not expect any help from the council, they missed a massive opportunity when they did not turn the pugneys in to a sporting village. Only time will tell but I don't expect to see a community stadium at the N M site or within Wakefield in a long long time.
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| In 21st century Wakefield I don't see why being a couple of miles away from the city centre matters.
It's not like people live in the city centre any more.
You can easily put direct buses on if there is a need but as long as their is plenty of parking it'll be fine.
Of course it matters most which stadium is possible but if it was a straight shoot out between NM and BV I'd pick NM.
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| The supporters prospective will probably be N M but to attract the public to a shiny new stadium I don't honestly believe N M to be the answer. A winning side will always see an increase in support and I expect Trinity to be in a much stronger position in the coming seasons but to expect to flood N M with a new breed of supporters I don't see happening. From a clubs prospective I would have thought If it's obtainable N M will be the end product but it's not for me.
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON " Your mate TRB had a stadium out on plate at a meeting with councillor croxhall and turned it down with a What's in it for me. '"
Interesting comments, but could you explain this bit please?
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| Following this with intrest as a Salford fan it reminds me of where we were around about 2009/10 when the new community stadium at Barton was going to be the answer to everything.
Obviously it didn't work out that way if you get the stadium built then the way you manage the move will be crucial to it being a success.
If you are tenants to a management company then expect to be messed about and at times you'll feel let down and not part of any decisions.
It's not just Salford Sale Sharks fans also seem to have grievances regular with the Stadium.
Hope this is a worse case scenario and if you do move I hope like Leigh who after early problems at the sports village they now seem to be better treated.
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| NM will never happen, fortunately for Wakey fans one of them will win the Euro lottery and build us a ground in a sensible area in Wakefield
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| Where ? Like Thornes park
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| Use your imagination
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| Despite the lack of progress in building industrial units at Newmarket, in the "Express" there is news of another industrial park which will "create 2000 jobs" plus, Primark and M & S committing to the 5 towns development at Glasshoughton.
I realise that TRB and Co are working hard for no reward but, it seems clear that Yorkcourt (or whoever) are not playing the game.
Equally, if there is a "stagnant site" on one side of the City, why do we need an additional industrial park just a few miles away, when there is supposed to be little demand for units due to the "downturn in the economy ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Equally, if there is a "stagnant site" on one side of the City, why do we need an additional industrial park just a few miles away, when there is supposed to be little demand for units due to the "downturn in the economy ?'"
Because it isn't going to be built in the next 12 months. Businesses are looking further ahead. The plan is for the next 5 - 10 years and in that time the economy can change - trouble is it change either way! Firms could well not depend on an improving economy but just that locating there will allow them to be more efficient/profitable.
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| Newmarket ain't going to happen, that much is obvious. Remember taking this to court doesn't mean we get a stadium, it just means that the protagonists don't get as rich IF we win. And if we were successful Yorkcourt would highly likely just build up to the limit and walk away as the stadium build would not make it profitable enough for them. They never had any intention of building a atadium there and i would guess our only hope is sone kind of deal involving buying back Belle Vue and staged funding of it's development as Yorkcourt develop Newmarket for something that makes them money. I fear it's that option that or nothing.
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| Buying back Belle Vue and a staged upgrading has always been the best option. If the Newmarket debacle shames Yorkcourt , Box , et a inl to enabling the club to do that this whole sorry NM saga might have been worthwhile
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