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Well Vastman! I could echo your whole post virtually word for word but, especially, the 60's - 70's period you mention. The Kinks, Small Faces(must have Marriot), the Who, Free, The Yardbirds. Zeppelin plus the Yank ones like The Byrds, The Doors and Creedance Clearwater Revival.
I did actually see The Who, in fact I waas there in 1969 at Leeds University Refectory, plus a few times since.
You are so right about todays "music" although I also remember my Father having a similar attitude to his own era, so, maybe its something to do with what we grow up with.

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Quote: acko "Remember seeing Iron maiden when they had just started at Unity Hall'"


A mate of mine tells a great story about that gig, which may be apocryphal. He was there, and got his jeans signed by the band - went home worse for wear in the early hours and chucked his clothes on the floor at the end of the bed, as you do, and woke up the following afternoon to find them missing; he goes downstairs, and they're on the clothes airer, freshly laundered by his doting mum, sans signatures.

I remember ending up with backstage passes to see Saxon at Leeds Irish Centre sometime in the late 80's - early 90's; they were leftover at JAT records and I knew the guys who worked there - so we went and I took my Mum, as she was a fan of that NWOBHM type stuff (I wasn't.) We go backstage afterwards and I went to the bar - walked back to our seats with drinks in hand, and found Biff Byford signing my Mums boobs. Awks.

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Quote: vastman "Started something here didn't I
I agree with this. Although, I do actually like a little bit of Queen in tiny doses.

I only listen to 2 rap artists and that is Immortal Technique and Eminem. Eminem's Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP have some of the most creative wordplay, flows and catchy beats I've heard in any genre. Also, I like how he rubs some of the older generation up the wrong way with his absurd Slim Shady persona. That said, he is nothing more than a lame pop-artist these days collaborating with the likes of Rhianna when he used to extract the urine out of them. But those two aforementioned albums have some fantastic tracks.

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Quote: Adam_Harrison9 "I agree with this. Although, I do actually like a little bit of Queen in tiny doses.

I only listen to 2 rap artists and that is Immortal Technique and Eminem. Eminem's Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP have some of the most creative wordplay, flows and catchy beats I've heard in any genre. Also, I like how he rubs some of the older generation up the wrong way with his absurd Slim Shady persona. That said, he is nothing more than a lame pop-artist these days collaborating with the likes of Rhianna when he used to extract the urine out of them. But those two aforementioned albums have some fantastic tracks.'"


it's each to their own, Even though I went from being into electronic music and DJ's etc while at College then Uni. I then got into the great bands of the 60's and 70's like The Who, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, credence, Yard Birds & The Beatles in a big way. but at a similar time I used to be/ still are a massive Rap fan especially of Tupac, that dude had it all, he could rap, put lyrics together like no other, hit you with subjects other rappers wouldn't touch, he was the package att and performed like his life depended on it. Shame Deathrow happened but even then he churned out some quality there. Tracks like Brenda's Got a Baby, Dear Mama, Only God Can Judge Me, Me Against the World etc you go on and on at the quality he churned out in a relatively short career. His family/recording company have released stuff that was awesome way after his death because he'd wrote and rapped so many songs and imo one of the best rap tracks ever released is Keep Ya Head Up.
Nas was awesome as well in the 90's, Dr Dre's Chronic is one of the best Rap albums ever imo. Was never into Eminem just couldn't get into him tbh but it was it is a bit like I couldn't get into Jay Z apart from the odd track. Loved guys nack then like England's own Slick Rick, EPMD, A Tribe Called Quest, Eric B and Rakim, Mos Def, The Roots, Wu-Tang Clan, Young MC.Gang Starr, Early Ice Cube.
Tbh for me even someone who got into rap at school, even sneaking down to a Public Enemy concert at Brixton Academy as a kid. I don't think it's age and getting older because I still love the stuff from the 80's/90's & apart from Kendrick Lamar who is ripping it up atm, the rap game is crap. With fools like Kanya West selling millions and the dude can't rap or rhyme to save his life with his synth over voice, the dude should have stopped a producer.

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Since getting into music through my dad when I was around 6 or 7 in the early 70's I've embraced every type of music and genre including RocknRoll, Pop, Easy Listening, Sunshine Pop, Singer Songwriters, Punk, Funk, Disco, Northern Soul, Soft Rock, Heavy Rock, Synth Pop, Europop, Tamla Motown etc etc the list is endless. I now have a collection of around 100,000 tracks all on vinyl and CD and DJ at specialist 'Beat the Jock' gigs where punters can ask for any song 1957 to 1990 and if I can't play it they win a free drink. This includes any top 50 track up to 1977, top 75 thereafter and even non charting singles of which I have many 1000's. I don't do Live music as I just don't have the time due to DJ'ing and Pop Quizzing but did see most of my favourites between 1980 and the early 90's including ELO, Genesis, Rush, Rainbow, Whitesnake, Slade, Status Quo, Black Sabbath (Ronnie James Dio on vocal) Roxette, and a few others.
Bands and artists I've loved and will always love -
Beatles, Rolling Stones, ELO, Hollies, Searchers Eddie Cochran, Sam Cooke, Tremeloes, Marmalade, Small Faces, 4 Tops, Temptations, Supremes, Kinks, Rainbow, Genesis, Manic St Preachers, Shed 7, Slade, Sweet, Smokie, Dusty Springfield, Billy Fury, Madonna, Fleetwood Mac, Boston, Idle Race, Christopher Rainbow, Madness, Specials, Love Affair, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Byrds, Simon and Garfunkel, Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morrisette, Kate Bush, The Babys, The Cars, The Ramones, Blondie, The Stranglers, The Boomtown Rats, The Smiths, The Cult, Big Country and literally hundreds more.... I have tried my hardest to listen to today's music but it does nothing at all for me, I am just listening to less and less of it and really struggle to recognise any of it when it comes up in a monthly Pop Quiz I go to in Knutsford. I have pretty much decided to just play what I enjoy now and still love to find a record from the 60's or 70's I don't know though there aren't many now. Unfortunately doing what I do on a Friday night means I have to miss a fair few games and that's the biggest drawback of all. My son was able to go to Hull KR whilst I listened for score updates and he'll be at Warrington this week too. I'm looking forward to retiring and being able to get to all the games, I feel I'm missing out but your bread and butter comes first so roll on a few more years for that.
Nice to read about everybody's different tastes in music, it's certainly been my life and will continue to be so, a very interesting thread indeed.

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Is there any post-hardcore fans on here? I'm thinking stuff like Glassjaw, Letlive., At the Drive-In and all the stuff that was influenced by the hardcore punk scene but turned it into something a bit more technical musically?

Don't know if anyone has heard of them but Propagandhi are my favourite band so far in my life. They started off as a pop-punk band back in like 1992 but they're more metal/thrash/pop-punk these days. It's a weird blend but they are fantastic musicians. Tracks to check out: Tertium Non Datur, Dear Coaches Corner (sports relevance), Mate Ka Moris Ukun Rasik An, Adventures in Zoochosis and Lotus Gait. If you're into decent guitar driven music, I would recommend!

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Quote: vastman "Started something here didn't I Oh and I've seen them eleven times but not in the last 20 years as even I concede that I probably saw them in there pomp so why spoil it. Wished I could have seen the Small Faces but I'm way to young and never managed the Who which I'd like.

I love Bowie but for some reason I don't think of him as a Rock star, more a performer and all round enigma.

Music I don't like is Queen and any other pomp rock bands, it may be good but it sure as hell isn't Rock'n'Roll, it's light entertainment to me. Rap, I just do not get it. I'm sure I've offended some but hey
I've almost got a like for like as far as bands from the 60s/70s but I have to admit the Rolling Stones never did anything for me and it's not as if i haven't heard most of their tracks because my mum loves them, she went to top of the pops in the 60's to watch them as well as other gigs at the time. Nothing to do with how popular or not embracing a winner, or care less about all that crap or any of the other things, especially when I've got Beatles, Floyd and Led Zep on the list 3 of the biggest selling acts ever. I will admit though I do like Paint it black but I'm not sure if that's from loving the film Platoon lol.

One other thing, wished I'd got to see the Small Faces too, but I suppose I was lucky enough I got to see The Who a couple of times though and everything you say about the Rolling Stones for me applies to them, for me the best live act ever with some of the most enduring songs as well . Shame they lost Moon and more recently Entwhistle but they're still going strong and just finished touring the US and have a gig in London tomorrow, wish I could go. I've missed so many recently last year at The Albert Hall, then Manchester, then Sheffield, bloody life keeps getting in the way lol.

A couple of bands I've not mentioned and I don't know how I forgot them were Joy Division and then from the ashes of that New Order, who I saw at the Hacienda a few times. Love both but particularly the darkness and lyrics if you can really enjoy them of Joy Division. Also went through a period of never really listening to anything, especially on long rides home from Uni in the car was Bob Dylan, never seen the dude though lol.

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Quote: Emley Cat "Since getting into music through my dad when I was around 6 or 7 in the early 70's I've embraced every type of music and genre including RocknRoll, Pop, Easy Listening, Sunshine Pop, Singer Songwriters, Punk, Funk, Disco, Northern Soul, Soft Rock, Heavy Rock, Synth Pop, Europop, Tamla Motown etc etc the list is endless..'"

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Quote: Shifty Cat "I've almost got a like for like as far as bands from the 60s/70s but I have to admit the Rolling Stones never did anything for me and it's not as if i haven't heard most of their tracks because my mum loves them, she went to top of the pops in the 60's to watch them as well as other gigs at the time. Nothing to do with how popular or not embracing a winner, or care less about all that crap or any of the other things, especially when I've got Beatles, Floyd and Led Zep on the list 3 of the biggest selling acts ever. I will admit though I do like Paint it black but I'm not sure if that's from loving the film Platoon lol.

One other thing, wished I'd got to see the Small Faces too, but I suppose I was lucky enough I got to see The Who a couple of times though and everything you say about the Rolling Stones for me applies to them, for me the best live act ever with some of the most enduring songs as well . Shame they lost Moon and more recently Entwhistle but they're still going strong and just finished touring the US and have a gig in London tomorrow, wish I could go. I've missed so many recently last year at The Albert Hall, then Manchester, then Sheffield, bloody life keeps getting in the way lol.

A couple of bands I've not mentioned and I don't know how I forgot them were Joy Division and then from the ashes of that New Order, who I saw at the Hacienda a few times. Love both but particularly the darkness and lyrics if you can really enjoy them of Joy Division. Also went through a period of never really listening to anything, especially on long rides home from Uni in the car was Bob Dylan, never seen the dude though lol.'"


See I'm like that with the Beatles, I don't deny their genius but they don't rock me never have.

Stones are a fanatics band tbh although most people like yourself like certain tracks.

I don't expect everyone to like them, Jagger's voice alone is a put off for some. But that's what I like they are the ultimate garage band done good yet some of there work is exceptional.

Due to Richards habits and Jagger's libido I think they get trivialised in this country, in the states they are idolised yet we get giddy about Elton John. 24 proper albums of which 6 are genuine classics to me that says it all for me - the British public will take note when there dead I suppose icon_smile.gif

Obviously I'm a fanatic but there are others who fit in this catagory. I always preferred Blur to Oasis who were actually just a Beatles/ Stones hybrid. I preferred Spandau Ballet to the limp Duran Duran but then I did plump for Betamax over VHS icon_sad.gif

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Quote: Shifty Cat "I've almost got a like for like as far as bands from the 60s/70s but I have to admit the Rolling Stones never did anything for me and it's not as if i haven't heard most of their tracks because my mum loves them, she went to top of the pops in the 60's to watch them as well as other gigs at the time. Nothing to do with how popular or not embracing a winner, or care less about all that crap or any of the other things, especially when I've got Beatles, Floyd and Led Zep on the list 3 of the biggest selling acts ever. I will admit though I do like Paint it black but I'm not sure if that's from loving the film Platoon lol.

One other thing, wished I'd got to see the Small Faces too, but I suppose I was lucky enough I got to see The Who a couple of times though and everything you say about the Rolling Stones for me applies to them, for me the best live act ever with some of the most enduring songs as well . Shame they lost Moon and more recently Entwhistle but they're still going strong and just finished touring the US and have a gig in London tomorrow, wish I could go. I've missed so many recently last year at The Albert Hall, then Manchester, then Sheffield, bloody life keeps getting in the way lol.

A couple of bands I've not mentioned and I don't know how I forgot them were Joy Division and then from the ashes of that New Order, who I saw at the Hacienda a few times. Love both but particularly the darkness and lyrics if you can really enjoy them of Joy Division. Also went through a period of never really listening to anything, especially on long rides home from Uni in the car was Bob Dylan, never seen the dude though lol.'"


See I'm like that with the Beatles, I don't deny their genius but they don't rock me never have.

Stones are a fanatics band tbh although most people like yourself like certain tracks.

I don't expect everyone to like them, Jagger's voice alone is a put off for some. But that's what I like they are the ultimate garage band done good yet some of there work is exceptional.

Due to Richards habits and Jagger's libido I think they get trivialised in this country, in the states they are idolised yet we get giddy about Elton John. 24 proper albums of which 6 are genuine classics to me that says it all for me - the British public will take note when there dead I suppose icon_smile.gif

Obviously I'm a fanatic but there are others who fit in this catagory. I always preferred Blur to Oasis who were actually just a Beatles/ Stones hybrid. I preferred Spandau Ballet to the limp Duran Duran but then I did plump for Betamax over VHS icon_sad.gif

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Uninteresting fact of the day, My uncle was roadie for iron maiden at the time of the unity gig and coincidentally years later he was John entwhistles window cleaner in oxfordshire. My mum tells so.e good tales about unity hall as she worked there as a cleaner and bar staff, she walked in on Bob geldof in the dressing room in his Urine stained Keck's and little else, still has nightmares about it now.

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Quote: vastman "See I'm like that with the Beatles, I don't deny their genius but they don't rock me never have.


I don't expect everyone to like them, Jagger's voice alone is a put off for some.'"



I'm with you all the way regarding the Beatles, I can appreciate their talent and they undoubtedly change the face of music but I can't listen to them all, they actually leave me empty. Regarding voices Springsteen does it to me, all my mates love him but I can 't listen to him at all, never played a track by him.

The Stones I've only seen once, that was at Glastonbury 2013 I think.
I'd never got off my to see them before, they played for an hour and I thought it was all a bit meh, it was then that it seemed that someone decided they were gonna play, the sound seemed better, clearer, louder and they just played a "best of" set. That second hour was incredible, I've watched it back since and the earlier part of the concert was stuff I didn't know or particularly like.
Got a say though, what a voice Jagger's got for an old man.

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Quote: JINJER "I'm with you all the way regarding the Beatles, I can appreciate their talent and they undoubtedly change the face of music but I can't listen to them all, they actually leave me empty. Regarding voices Springsteen does it to me, all my mates love him but I can 't listen to him at all, never played a track by him.

The Stones I've only seen once, that was at Glastonbury 2013 I think.
I'd never got off my booty to see them before, they played for an hour and I thought it was all a bit meh, it was then that it seemed that someone decided they were gonna play, the sound seemed better, clearer, louder and they just played a "best of" set. That second hour was incredible, I've watched it back since and the earlier part of the concert was stuff I didn't know or particularly like.
Got a say though, what a voice Jagger's got for an old man.'"


Glastonbury was the Stones out of their depth in a way. I couldn't agree more as regards the best of which is what they should have done all along. The Stones like U2 and a select group of bands can fill statdiums, hence they don't do festivels, the last time they did was in the very early 1970's I think plus a few charity things maybe. They are used to audiences who know and adore ALL or MOST of there 170+ songs. I don't think they realised at first what a diverse an audience they were in front of and got it a bit wrong.

When on tour they get it all their own way and are far better than Glastonbury though as you say they did eventually save the day. Just how it is I suppose when you've been insulated from real life for 50 years then this is what happens, think Jagger who's super bright always shy'd away from Glastonbury for this very reason. Richards is the romantic but despite what he says the Stones are not a band of the people and never were, there the ultimate headonists and that's how I like my rock'n'roll and they would be the last people on earth I'd seek moral gudence from - Glastonbury is not there natural arena.

If you ever read Richards autobiography and frankly it would be the same for most of he 60'/70's rock royalty he states - the last purchace everyday purchase he ever made with his own money when he still knew the real value of the product was a bottle of milk and that was in 1964! That really stuck with me, reminds me a lot of Belly icon_lol.gif

On a similar note Springstiens voice is a bit jarring but not as jarring as his man of the people act - I don't doubt he was once but there comes a point where you have to step aside. Never really been a fan of messages in rock music but if you are looking for some then the early stuff is usually the best whilst they still have problems and at least one foot still in the real world.

That said they still offered far more than the vacuous rubbish people like Jay-Z and Beyonce pump out, if anyone can explain that to me I'd be obliged - I'd rather listen to Billy Bragg JUST icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif

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Best `Gig` experience i have had was the Electric Light Orchestra back in 82 in Munich, tried to replicate the experience a few years back when i went to see `Jeff Lynne`s ELO` at the new Leeds Arena a few years back, sadly it wasn't a patch on the original experience for me.

If there is one musician i wish I would of made the effort to go and see it would of had to have been Johnny Cash.

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A bit of trivia here.

Jinger, on an earlier post, you mentioned Bill Nelson of Be Bop Deluxe.

I have just recently read the Stuart Adamson biography (Skids and Big Country), quite a good read.

Bill Nelson was a big influence on Stuart Adamson's career

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 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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