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Quote: Tricky2309 "Totally agree with this. Respect has to be earned. We have had teams with less ability but they got by because they had heart and a never say die attitude. Two qualities which the current team with a few exceptions appear to be sadly lacking at present.'"



A guy who got slated many times on here, Hendo, heart and never say die by the bucketfull.

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Quote: El Rey "A guy who got slated many times on here, Hendo, heart and never say die by the bucketfull.'"


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Again I couldnt agree more we wouldnt have scored but neither would we have shipped 60 points

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Quote: wildshot "Sorry to go against the grain of this thread but I would like to express my own opinion of the game.

Looking at yesterday alone I wouldn't blame Agar for that performance. I blame the players entirely. Even with poor game plan instructions (if they received such) how could you not lift your performance to play a team like Leeds? How can you not be motivated to prove a point and turn in a decent showing?

I honestly never expected us to win yesterday but I expected us to be competitive. We weren't.

This is virtually the same team who ran St Helens so close and also had 2 comfortable wins.

I wasn't at Hull KR last week so am not in a position to comment on that game. Hearing that Agar made wholesale changes for that match lets me think there is validity to the criticism of him. However for the Leeds match I would be less critical of our coach.

If I was MC I'd give the players a good rollicking. Ask them to stand up and show what us the fans and everyone else associated with the club means to them. If I was MC I would highlight the efforts that he'd put in to save the club and why they owe him. They owe their salaries and livelihoods to him and the club.

Heck I'd even ask Kath Hetherington and even her hubby Gary to go into the dressing room post match and tell them how they'd let the club and the game down.

Whilst I personally feel our pack is not quite as strong as last season, our squad is comparable if not overall a little bit better. We can perform better than that.

The team has had time to bed in and get to know each other now. The excuses at the start of the season can start to wane thin.

Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of Agar, I don't blame him for yesterday.

Also, change now is not in my view a good idea. Firstly Agar is on a long term contract which I dare say we can't afford to pay off. (I did find it odd to extend his contract so far.) Also now is the time the team should be gelling. They need a few more weeks to prove they have. (I'm not contradicting what I've said above, I purely mean that the fruits of this gelling period should begin to show now).

The players need to stand up. We need a much improved performance on Friday.

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Finally a post that has some thought put in to it

There are a few simple reasons why we lost on Sunday, not least of which is Leeds can put 60 passed any SL team on there day and the team haven't had an off season but the main reason is....
The majority of the pack were out on there feet to me, carrying knocks, strapped up like mummies, playing on injections, our forwards are in a mess at the moment but they and the rest of the team will come good
If our forwards don't lay the foundations the back are on the back foot

Kirmond put a valiant captains effort in but is clearly not right, the guy is carrying an injury to his back I would say
Anderson looked like he was having serious knee problems and struggled to get up a few times, was unable to take the ball to the line with any momentum
Wasbrook, again looks to me to be carrying an injury
D Smith, hardly played and in the last twenty mins play had to stop several minutes while the physio checked over him before leading him off the bitch
Scruton left the field and didn't come back either, again looked injured to me

Moore looked excellent but its his first game back so only played 25 mins, tauti played well too and Ali was as always brilliant but half a pack will always struggle to create any momentum

People need to get off agars back, if its the same midway through the season then that's an other story

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If its the same halfway through the season it be too late trust me Bradford will have past us no danger

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Quote: musson "Finally a post that has some thought put in to it

There are a few simple reasons why we lost on Sunday, not least of which is Leeds can put 60 passed any SL team on there day and the team haven't had an off season but the main reason is....
The majority of the pack were out on there feet to me, carrying knocks, strapped up like mummies, playing on injections, our forwards are in a mess at the moment but they and the rest of the team will come good
If our forwards don't lay the foundations the back are on the back foot

Kirmond put a valiant captains effort in but is clearly not right, the guy is carrying an injury to his back I would say
Anderson looked like he was having serious knee problems and struggled to get up a few times, was unable to take the ball to the line with any momentum
Wasbrook, again looks to me to be carrying an injury
D Smith, hardly played and in the last twenty mins play had to stop several minutes while the physio checked over him before leading him off the bitch
Scruton left the field and didn't come back either, again looked injured to me

Moore looked excellent but its his first game back so only played 25 mins, tauti played well too and Ali was as always brilliant but half a pack will always struggle to create any momentum

People need to get off agars back, if its the same midway through the season then that's an other story'"





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If our players are so busted up over the last 2 games then why let players go out on loan ?.
Kirmond hasn't looked his self most of the season so far and the lad looks like he could do with a rest for the good of his long term future.

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Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.

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I'm darn London for a few days with work so missed the game and haven't had chance to comment anyway.
To get walloped by so many is embarrassing of course and even I am starting to doubt the team and coach but I still think stability and support is important to this tram this season.

The point to me now is to try and find a way forward rather than finding someone to blame.
I really don't think Agar is the issue.

It's ironic that many of those more creative in their blaming of Agar were also saying we should target the league and let this game go. I remember saying be careful what you wish for.....

I predicted a straight off that the team would get better with time and would shock some teams.
I still believe it, but it's getting harder to be optimistic.

So I don't blame Agar, and even more so don't want to change for most of the names mentioned, but it is his responsibility to get them playing at their best and I hope he finds the way soon.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.'"

Actually quite a few on here questioned the wisdom of letting them all go on loan at once, especially during such a busy period of the season, but don't let that stop your sickly holier than thou attitude.

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Quote: PopTart "I'm darn London for a few days with work so missed the game and haven't had chance to comment anyway.
To get walloped by so many is embarrassing of course and even I am starting to doubt the team and coach but I still think stability and support is important to this tram this season.

The point to me now is to try and find a way forward rather than finding someone to blame.
I really don't think Agar is the issue.

It's ironic that many of those more creative in their blaming of Agar were also saying we should target the league and let this game go. I remember saying be careful what you wish for.....

I predicted a straight off that the team would get better with time and would shock some teams.
I still believe it, but it's getting harder to be optimistic.

So I don't blame Agar, and even more so don't want to change for most of the names mentioned, but it is his responsibility to get them playing at their best and I hope he finds the way soon.'"

I really do think that this teams ability is being overplayed by many, it is nothing more than an average superleague side with a light sprinking of talented players at best but to achieve that everybody has to put in 100%, play to their full potential and be given the correct gameplan to follow. Right now we seem to be lacking in all 3 areas and the questions have to be asked why that is. For me if it continues over the next 3 games then a change has to be made before it is too late.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "Do you think that they chose to play injured rather than let the club down unfortunately it backfired and ended with us left short of replacements leading to further fatigue. That can't be correct of course because that suggests loyalty and a desire not to let the team down when in fact to some of you they are an embarrassment to the shirt.
We have a small first team squad, players are more likely to volunteer to play when not fully fit. We let three players go out on loan to keep them match fit because the league no longer operate a second team. I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing but not something any of us possess.'"


Was Raleigh and sjeika injured? Is Molloy still injured? If they were fit then surely they should have played instead of players carrying injuries?

Danny Kirmond hasn't been fit for most of the season yet Agar continues to play him despit knowing he won't be as effective as he can be and won't last the match. This lad needs to be given a rest to overcome whatever injury he is carrying as a fully fit Kirmond will be a major asset to us.

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Definitely Andy Raleigh, Jon Molloy and Harry Siejka should be in the 17 this Friday.

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The trouble is Scarlet Pimpernell at least one of those players let out on loan should have been used to give Kirmond a rest.Its clear for all to see the lad is putting his hand up to play but not fit enough and hasn't been for a few games no hindsight needed on that one.I actually fear for Kirmonds long term future in the game if this goes on he will end up busted and I would not want that of any player least of all one of lifes good guys.

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On the issue of lads going out on loan Agar is in an absolutely impossible position as far as some fans go...he cant do right for doing wrong (as with a lot of other things aswell)

I may be wrong with timing...not sure?...but isnt the busy easter period coming up soon...a time where you may be stretched afterwards....does that period tie in with when the lads can be called back? If so, it would have made perfect sense to send them out when they did....hopefully get some game time and be ready and match fit if needed after Easter...

At present I still think Trout and Walshaw are well down the pecking order as utility forwards....Moore is back in now....Annakin cant be far off...Molloy did very well last tim he played....thats not including all the other forwards who have been playing....

None of us know who is injured....who isnt...again Agar cant win on that score....like Dan Smith missing HKR away...was there a slight problem there because Agar took some right flack for that....then he struggles to play 5 minutes on Sunday....

I dont buy into the Kirmo injury stuff either....for me he is fit to play every game but is arguably trying too hard and going away from the basics....he hurt himself on Sunday with a silly shoulder charge on Sinfield and wasnt the same after....stick to basics....dont attempt siily tackles like that where you risk hurting yourself...just settle down a bit...play your own game and be the inspirational leader of the team you were last year....its what the team is crying out for....a big leader on the field...

Just my opinion...

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