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| 1 there cant have been an issue with brough re long term super league survival of WTRLFC that a clause in his contract could not have sorted out.
In that case it wouldn't guarantee the individual a wage beyond our time in SL
2. Re cooke signing, he was not a replacement for brough, hence all the "im looking forward to teaming up with brough" quotes, because he is not a scrum half for a start.
Whatever you read - the truth is that both deals were ongoing at the same time, and we had full knowledge of what the outcome could be
3. The brough deal was awful, and somehow put across as the best we could get! Think it was the best brough could get but us? nah.
You may think that - but it's easy sitting on here!
4. Any more to go? theres more than just a sniff of a rumour flying about that there is, if not now, at the end of the season.
Of course - there always is with us - until we can secure our long term future in a viable home.
5. no ones saying anyone is a poodle, just think some of us are intellegent enough to question whats been put forward as fact.
You keep questionning - no problem with that - I'll keep replying as best I can and as honestly as I can - you choose to take it or leave it - no fuss!
6. As snowie said yesterday its chicken and egg time, no SL team pointless having a stadium, no stadium, no SL team, to use his egg analogy i think we are putting all ours in the stadium basket currently
Everyone at the club is aware of what needs to be done - as soon as it can and with what we can - as it ever was. I agree with you that it's no use being a bottom of the table side in a top of the table facility - we cannot afford to fall further behind and this is being addressed for the long term, but the short term is much harder.
I could go on, but actually its pointless, it really is at present.
I disagree - unlike Tronc did - I think it's time to show some backbone - swallow hard and get behind who we are, what we stand for and what we do!
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| Quote: charlie "There isn't anyone else out there to take over the cub though, is there?
I seem to remember a meeting in 2001, Topliss said he wanted to get involved with the running of the club, but he wouldn't unless Ted left. What was that all about?
We have what we have and we have to deal with it. Unless one of us wins £50 mill on the Euros.'"
That was Mark Woodhead, Toppo, the guy from Emley and that's it. They held a meeting at which the WE and myself (as Chair of WiSCA at the time) were invited.
They had a brass button and a book full of anti-Ted stories between them - much as it is on here really!
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| Quote: TURFEDOUT "The point on Pearman,was that nothing changes at Wakefield,the club constantly attempt to remove any responsibility away from themselves when things dont go well.And after years of listening to the constant excuses,i cant believe that people still accept this.
Taking the Brough situation in isolation,he was a contracted player -- Wakefield held all the cards.A deal should have been done before season started,i just dont buy the club were hoping he would sign - it seemed pretty clear months before that he wouldnt re sign.The club should have put a time limit on signing the new contract or with drawing it and that limit should have suited us.He could have played his contract out and yes i see the arguments for not retaining a player who wants to go,if we had enforced this,i dont think he could afford to risk under performing/wrong attitude etc --- how would it look to a prospective new employer.Even if Brough had decided to play"crap" deliberately and ended up playing reserves for a year -- this wouldnt encourage a new employer.
The whole Brough situation was mis managed in my opinion.
We had a highly regarded scrum half in Southernwood,we now have a full back -- WTF,we have Blaymire and Murphy already.Yet the vibes sent out around Southernwoods departure,once again were -- its not the clubs fault and far too many believe it.
If the Wakefield board told me it was blazing sunshine outside,i would still take my brolly out with me!
Sorry TRB,my love for my home town team will not falter,but the club has been badly managed for far too long.'"
Highly rated by who, i don't have the knowledge like some on here but certain posters who do have that knowledge have said differently, guys who have coached both players.
The clubs been badly managed at times for sure and its an uphill struggle just to keep it afloat BUT we are still alive and kicking (if softly and a bit girly)
Anyone have any answers to our problems.
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| Quote: RDM "Murph, King & Korki were the few bright notes of the performance. With the exception of Davey who got a bad knock and is probably out for a few weeks now & Gledhill (who is surpassing all our expectations given his lack of experience), all the players in the team today are experienced players and should be able to play much better than that. Even though Cooke & BJ are looking better together, there was no real sign of creativity anywhere on the pitch.
We may have only lost by one try (a big factor in my frustrations with JD) but we were very lucky with the way that Kirmond's try came about and it certainly wasn't created by our team - more that we benefited from a Quins error.
Quins aren't a great side and they didn't play any better than when we played them at the start of the season. The fact that we have gone so far back in our performance levels cannot be ignored and needs to be addressed. You may want to keep your rose tinted glasses on if you want, but as JK has said this week our performances this year are of utmost importance given the franchise applications are considered during next season.
We've gone to so much effort as a club to get a new stadium sorted to satisfy that side of the application, but we now have a very real danger of seeing the on-pitch performances being the deciding factor and right now the performances are attrocious.'" didn't one of their tries come from a dropped ball by blanche? thought some of the guys worked really hard yesterday and wasn't far off a win but to say they had a full team out minus golden and we had quite a few kids in doing a great job for us. lost davey early doors with a really bad cut and got some really crap decisions from bentham . think we did ok. look on the positive side. we can concentrate on the league now.
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| Quote: TRB "That was Mark Woodhead, Toppo, the guy from Emley and that's it. They held a meeting at which the WE and myself (as Chair of WiSCA at the time) were invited.
They had a brass button and a book full of anti-Ted stories between them - much as it is on here really!
Toppo offered about 30 bob if my memorie serves me right.
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| Brough's looking good
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| I've been a supporter for 21 years, but after travelling 200 miles to watch that dross yesterday can't see myself bothering after this season. Can't beat a team who have only won once in 25 games! No creativity, spark, spirit nothing. All the playmakers we had are now down the road at Hudds. We lose Brough and end up with a 2nd rate has been like Paul Cooke. JD has done a lot for this club but this is one season too many a passenger now. Unless there is some genuine quality recruitment either now or at the end of the season that's it, not wasting any more money on Wakefield. It's just too soul destroying.
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| i hear you phil , i got a lump sum last year but was still skint
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| Quote: MR BROWN "didn't one of their tries come from a dropped ball by blanche? thought some of the guys worked really hard yesterday and wasn't far off a win but to say they had a full team out minus golden and we had quite a few kids in doing a great job for us. lost davey early doors with a really bad cut and got some really crap decisions from bentham . think we did ok. look on the positive side. we can concentrate on the league now.'"
You make me feel a little better MR BROWN.
If I had a pound for the amount of times I have read on here over the years "cannot see where the next win is coming from" I would be rich. The last month or so has certainly been reality check time. We have been punching above our weight for a while now and we have fallen flat on our backsides. I sound like a record but when watching Wakey there are always peaks and troughs and we are now firmly in the later. We need some confidence a new face or two and a bit of luck and hopefully the wheels will once again be back on the train.
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| I think what everyone could do with hearing is maybe what the club have got planned for the rest of the season,whether we are making signings,looking at players and what the plan is to keep the fans interested.
A meeting is definitely needed and the problems need to be addressed to keep the fans informed and hopefully interested.I don't think those in charge are not doing anything behind the scenes,in fact probably the opposite is happening,but it has to be said that i don't think in a million years Kear or the Board expected the form of the players to be so shocking after the loss of Brough.A new signing is needed and quickly to keep the fans interested.
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| I hear what you say TRB but what do you call long term.Surely we need new players to be signed this season because the league position is so important,just because we are hoping for a new stadium it still doesn't follow that we would get a franchise for 2012 and without the next franchise we won't need a stadium as I don't think the would be viable any longer.
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| Quote: BIGAL1 "Who's this "we" you talk about.
I think it is obvious that many fans are unhappy with what happened with Brough - it is obvious now that he was never going to play the whole of this season and we were lucky to get what we did out of him. I think he was a big selling point for season tickets which the club were happy to pull the wool over and make us think we were going to get at least another season out of him hence tickets been sold!
Newton, not the clubs fault
No you are correct but where is replacement playmaker?
Brough, wanted away and IMO the club made the best of it.
See above - they used his name pretty well at selling season tickets & shirts, and then got rid when they could not make any more money on him
Tronc, well if he's not with us i don't want to watch/support him.
I meant that is yet more money we have to spend out of our budget
Can you give me inside knowledge on what the clubs "not doing" to find replacements, please.
Replacement for Newton - 2 months and nothing
Replacement for Brough - 1 month and nothing
Tronc fair enough a few weeks and whispers of players coming in but we were always short of forwards before the season started
With the first two the big problem is that now they have gone there is no creation what so ever
I feel robbed by the players named above.
I agree I am also not happy with what has gone on with these players but I feel robbed that I have a season ticket which pays towards players wages and we now have nobody in the side who can create
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| Quote: chapster "if their under contract and any good they will need a fee! and lets face it we are not a fee paying club, and to be honest if their playing in C1 or Nl1 theres probably a reason why...they arnt good enough for SL.
Clear as day for me now, brough should have been a sign or go in this seasons planning, not hope he signs, fingers crossed, as soon as his financial situation became know the result was obvious surely?'"
But it will be a very small free - or how about long term loans for some of our fringe players.
They may not be seen to be good enough for SL but without trying we will never know - and will play the rest of the season without any creativity
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| Quote: wakeytom "'" ]
Tom, to say Broughy was never going to finish the season is silly mate, you think the club new he would leave halfway through and sold tickets on the back of it.
Difficult to replace players when you need to get the right ones, can you imagine "cheap short term signings" to keep the peace with fans, just would not work IMO.
Better to get decent players, yes it frustrating and yes we want to see the team playing well and winning again but for me "panic signings" are a waste of money.
I am totaly cheesed off just like you but we just see it differently thats all.
Lets hope we can move forward. SOON.
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