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| A couple of years ago, maybe, but not now.
That said, we do need an organiser for next year, as I dont think Gale will be here.
I know we've been linked to Russell, but not sure hes that type of half.
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| Drink water has ability but, as all the clubs he has played for he has lapses & fade outs during games particularly against top sides, all the clubs he has played at have found him out !
What grin need next season if in SL is a dynamic play maker & game manager on field of play, we do not want a project player or an old player as in the past. !
Where we could get one is the problem, every club wants one. ???
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| Quote: Start@1873 "Drink water has ability but, as all the clubs he has played for he has lapses & fade outs during games particularly against top sides, all the clubs he has played at have found him out !
What grin need next season if in SL is a dynamic play maker & game manager on field of play, we do not want a project player or an old player as in the past. !
Where we could get one is the problem, every club wants one. ???'"
After a full season full time and perhaps working with Gale hopefully Lawford will be more ready to step into the position.
Plenty of time to see how things turn out.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "After a full season full time and perhaps working with Gale hopefully Lawford will be more ready to step into the position.
Plenty of time to see how things turn out.'"
After watching him at Batley I think that might be a bit optimistic, certainly for next year. I'd look at sending him out to Hunslet for some regular game time. I'd send Harvey Smith as well now Kay is back.
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| Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "After watching him at Batley I think that might be a bit optimistic, certainly for next year. I'd look at sending him out to Hunslet for some regular game time. I'd send Harvey Smith as well now Kay is back.'"
Would be harsh for a player who hasn’t played in the first team for about 6-8 weeks to judge him on a single performance. Playing a few games in pre season he was showing very promising signs.
Watching the Batley game back he made some good contributions in attack and defence along with being primarily responsible for Crofts try which helped turn the screw.
He isn’t the finished article but I certainly think if he works hard he won’t be too far away next season. Look at Lewis for KR, he was a little hit and miss when he was first in the KR team as a young lad not far from Lawford age. Through the couple of seasons of experience he’s turned into a pretty good halfback.
I do think though that a Lawford will play a bit for Hunslet on dual reg when he’s not playing for us. I can see him getting 5-10 games for us this season though.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "Would be harsh for a player who hasn’t played in the first team for about 6-8 weeks to judge him on a single performance. Playing a few games in pre season he was showing very promising signs.
Watching the Batley game back he made some good contributions in attack and defence along with being primarily responsible for Crofts try which helped turn the screw.
He isn’t the finished article but I certainly think if he works hard he won’t be too far away next season. Look at Lewis for KR, he was a little hit and miss when he was first in the KR team as a young lad not far from Lawford age. Through the couple of seasons of experience he’s turned into a pretty good halfback.
I do think though that a Lawford will play a bit for Hunslet on dual reg when he’s not playing for us. I can see him getting 5-10 games for us this season though.'"
Ok
That’s fairly typical of that poster, ridiculously quick to judge.
He’s not totally wrong as he would benefit from DR, but I think we all knew that anyway. It’s the need to put him down that I don’t get as he’s very young and inexperienced.
I’m less convinced regarding Smith as imho he’s looked ever inch as good as Doyle and not fat off Hood, so why DR him. Especially as it’s been made clear that Kay is moving to 13.
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| Quote: vastman "Ok
That’s fairly typical of that poster, ridiculously quick to judge.
He’s not totally wrong as he would benefit from DR, but I think we all knew that anyway. It’s the need to put him down that I don’t get as he’s very young and inexperienced.
I’m less convinced regarding Smith as imho he’s looked ever inch as good as Doyle and not fat off Hood, so why DR him. Especially as it’s been made clear that Kay is moving to 13.'"
Smith certainly has huge potential imo. He’s also been playing well. Much like Lawford I can see him getting 5-10 games this year which is fine. He may as the season goes on and with injuries get his chance. I certainly think on a hard pitch in summer the lad will cause all novice with quick plays and running himself.
Hood is playing the best I’ve seen him this season and he looks a lot fitter too and it’s showing. I would go as far if he keeps it up giving him another year next year in SL. That is something I didn’t think I’d say before this season started but he looks more focused too in his performances.
As for Kay. Watching live and the game back he needs to be used better if it’s at 13. He stifled a lot of the forward play at Batley. If he’s to be a 13 it needs to be off the bench and linking up the forwards and backs taking it closer to the line. Something that worked well vs Doncaster late on. I like Kay but when Pitts is back it has to be Pitts and Cozza. He’s a good utility club man though.
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| Quote: vastman "Ok
That’s fairly typical of that poster, ridiculously quick to judge.
He’s not totally wrong as he would benefit from DR, but I think we all knew that anyway. It’s the need to put him down that I don’t get as he’s very young and inexperienced.
I’m less convinced regarding Smith as imho he’s looked ever inch as good as Doyle and not fat off Hood, so why DR him. Especially as it’s been made clear that Kay is moving to 13.'"
So you agree I'm right about Lawford? And I've just seen he's out on dual reg this weekend so Daryl obviously took on board what I told this morning.
Regards Smith, we're only going to name two hookers in the 17 and it's clear Hood and Doyle are first picks at the moment. Surely he'd be better at Hunslet than not playing at all? Or do you think he'll improve more sitting in the stands?
My opinion he's not at Doyle's level yet but has a higher ceiling for the future. I think playing regular at Hunslet will do him more good, and drip feed him games with us when we feel the need. Then there's the added bonus of two young pivots learning to play together as well.
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| Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "So you agree I'm right about Lawford? And I've just seen he's out on dual reg this weekend so Daryl obviously took on board what I told this morning.
Regards Smith, we're only going to name two hookers in the 17 and it's clear Hood and Doyle are first picks at the moment. Surely he'd be better at Hunslet than not playing at all? Or do you think he'll improve more sitting in the stands?
My opinion he's not at Doyle's level yet but has a higher ceiling for the future. I think playing regular at Hunslet will do him more good, and drip feed him games with us when we feel the need. Then there's the added bonus of two young pivots learning to play together as well.'"
I don't mind Smith going to Huslet if that's what is decided, but we have a reserve team. He wouldn't just be sitting on the sidelines.
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| Quote: PopTart "I don't mind Smith going to Huslet if that's what is decided, but we have a reserve team. He wouldn't just be sitting on the sidelines.'"
I haven't looked into the reserve side of our game, or seen anything about games on our social media, I've seen scholarship and Acaadmy games on YouTube I think they were but no reserve games. Is the reserve league better run with more regular games than past years?
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Quote: Shifty Cat "I don't mind Smith going to Huslet if that's what is decided, but we have a reserve team. He wouldn't just be sitting on the sidelines.'"
I haven't looked into the reserve side of our game, or seen anything about games on our social media, I've seen scholarship and Acaadmy games on YouTube I think they were but no reserve games. Is the reserve league better run with more regular games than past years?'"
Yes there has been two reserves game I believe and announced on social media the teams. I do think the comp only has a game every 2 weeks and is only 12 or so rounds for regular season. This would allow room for some players to go out on DR those weeks.
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| Personally think that maybe sending Smith out to play long minutes a Hunslet is a big risk. He's very young and needs some physical development. Getting smashed and targeted week in week out might do more damage than good. He's still doing 3 days at 6th form too.
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| Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "So you agree I'm right about Lawford? And I've just seen he's out on dual reg this weekend so Daryl obviously took on board what I told this morning.
Regards Smith, we're only going to name two hookers in the 17 and it's clear Hood and Doyle are first picks at the moment. Surely he'd be better at Hunslet than not playing at all? Or do you think he'll improve more sitting in the stands?
My opinion he's not at Doyle's level yet but has a higher ceiling for the future. I think playing regular at Hunslet will do him more good, and drip feed him games with us when we feel the need. Then there's the added bonus of two young pivots learning to play together as well.'"
Fundamentally yes on Lawford, but not because his first run out wasn't as good as was hoped for - there is a difference. I'm also pretty sure that Powell sees Jowitt as a go to HB if Gale or Lino get injured, and then moving Walmsley to FB, especially once JM is fit again. Whether you agree that Max can play HB and LW can play FB is up to you, but I do, and Powell seems to think so. But then it's all Academic because if Lino or Gale got injured long term, we could use our DR with Wigan if we needed to, or just buy one. Thats what's so truly great at the moment, the club now has options.
I think you're very wrong about Smith and clearly so does Powell.
In every game he's played in, he's been good in. So why on earth would you want to loan out a player who on any given day could easily get into the 17. What good will it do him? He's not a fringe player like Lawford, he's already proved himself to be Championship level, so dropping a level achieves nothing IMO. He's far better off remaining totally within the clubs coaching framework for now. He doesn't need the game time, he will get at least another 5-6 first team games this season IMO, plus reserve team games, that's more than enough for a player his age.
If Hood and Doyle don't get injured then maybe, but that's highly unlikely, and clearly Powell has no hesitation in using him.
Finally, if and I know it's an if, we have sealed the number one spot before the play-offs, then he will get even further opportunities,
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| Quote: vastman "Fundamentally yes on Lawford, but not because his first run out wasn't as good as was hoped for - there is a difference. I'm also pretty sure that Powell sees Jowitt as a go to HB if Gale or Lino get injured, and then moving Walmsley to FB, especially once JM is fit again. Whether you agree that Max can play HB and LW can play FB is up to you, but I do, and Powell seems to think so. But then it's all Academic because if Lino or Gale got injured long term, we could use our DR with Wigan if we needed to, or just buy one. Thats what's so truly great at the moment, the club now has options.
I think you're very wrong about Smith and clearly so does Powell.
In every game he's played in, he's been good in. So why on earth would you want to loan out a player who on any given day could easily get into the 17. What good will it do him? He's not a fringe player like Lawford, he's already proved himself to be Championship level, so dropping a level achieves nothing IMO. He's far better off remaining totally within the clubs coaching framework for now. He doesn't need the game time, he will get at least another 5-6 first team games this season IMO, plus reserve team games, that's more than enough for a player his age.
If Hood and Doyle don't get injured then maybe, but that's highly unlikely, and clearly Powell has no hesitation in using him.
Finally, if and I know it's an if, we have sealed the number one spot before the play-offs, then he will get even further opportunities,'"
I agree with most of what you're saying, and that's my point about Hood and Doyle, Smith only plays if they're injured. I don't agree that he's proved himself at Championship level yet, but I've no doubt he will. If he's out on DR he'd still train with Wakefield during the week, he might do a session or two with Hunslet at the most. He can also be recalled at any time, it's not like a loan where he has to stay for a set period of time. I've no issues with him playing for us, but if we know the other two are fit I don't see what harm it will do.
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