It was the manner of the defeat! Easy for you to say when you werent there. Body language appauling. We paid good money yesterday we were a beaten team before we got on the pitch. Cant believe a coach can pick the same wing/centre combination that Fetherstone ran rings around. Agar seems to have a obsession with the forwards that wasn't the reason we lost yesterday yes it didn't help but our attitude was all wrong, tactics, pretence effort. VERY POOR . Wigan were there for the taking. No doubt boots n all and SL show will say gallant effort by Wakefield but apart from a handful the performance was woeful.

This sums it up for me.

Given the team selection and looking at the games coming up I get the feeling that yesterdays game was treated by the coaching staff as nothing more than a training run for the main events over the next fortnight. I get the impression that the fall out of that tactic was that mindset being taken up by some of the players, hence an impression of them being at less than 100%. Whether this was really the case I don't know but it kind of looked that way from the outside looking in and it wouldn't be the first time Agar has used that tactic for the Wigan away game.

I agree effort must be there. Tatui gave 110% yesterday. What the hell were Sykes ko's about!That is not effort at all.

I do think we need to get the "there for the taking" thing clear.
The only players that were not regulars was Hampshire at full back who will clearly be their next big thing.
Manfredi on the wing
Greg Burke, who quite a few Wigan fans rate very highly and have been caling for his inclussion in the team.

All the others are first teamers though they have got some good rotation

Big gamble to think he can change 4 or 5 players next week and they will instantly perform good enough as a team to get the win. I would have understood the mentality if for example Wildie had been in the 17 (because McShane loses his effectiveness having to do 80 mins) and Washbrook had started at LF and Walshaw wasn't propping, but can't see how yesterdays team selection and performance put us any nearer to being capable of stringing a winning performance together.

Weren't there something like 7 players who played in the WCC who didn't play? That being the case we had a better chance than normal to beat them and frankly never looked like doing so.

Off the top of my head 3 of their first choice three quarter line weren't playing nor Pettybourne

Maybe so,but their squad as more quality in depth than ours and will allways have.They will always have the pick of the crop,that's what money and success does I'm afraid,when they played the Roosters that showed that even our best clubs are well behind the ARL.....that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Bowen was out, replaced by Hampshire
Charnley was out replaced by Manfredi
Goulding was out but they already had Sargison in as a replacement so Gelling and Thornley were back in as normal first teamers.
Burgess is clearly now a star man so is a first teamer

Half backs were the same.

And frankly, I'd have rather faced Bowen.

That's fair comment, because of course I wasn't at the game. If I had paid my twenty quid and given up my afternoon, I would be a lot less happy. I'm looking at it purely from the perspective of the season.

Salford? Yes, not a better time to play them, but we had key players fresh off a plane, and if our second half was a reflection of how we will be, then it could come good. Bradford was the game that was the sickener, particularly because it was such a four-pointer. I'm just not ready to hit the panic button yet. If we can restart our season at the weekend and beat Catalan and then London, and beat either Hull KR or Cas, then the season starts to look a little brighter. If so, by June Bradford will look like just a bad day at the office, and the Wigan score will be one of those expected ones.

Win just two out of the next six, then I agree we are in real trouble, as the Bulls could well have overtaken us by then. If we can't stay above them with a six-point start, I agree we're out and deserve to be.

Performances aside, I just can't help feeling that we've only dropped two points from our expected haul so far. I'm not optimistic about the season, but I'm not one for the panic button.

Not quite sure where the "There for the taking" comes from when you look at their line up, Charnley wasn't rested he was dropped for poor form and as Bren says, Hampshire offers more of a threat than Bowen right now. The rest are all first team and SL regulars

Hampshire,
Burgess,
Gelling,
Thornley,
Manfredi,
Green,
Smith,
Flower,
McIlorum,
Taylor,
L Farrell,
Bateman,
O'Loughlin.

Tomkins,
Crosby,
Burke,
Clubb.

Well guy,s i did not see the game so can not coment, so from a distance i,d say we put 24 points past the best superleague team on their own turf so if we can sort our defence out which we have bolsterd by adding nick scruton, well who knows we may be suprised.

I don't want it to sound like I'm taking too much away but one try was a one on one steal and two were from interceptions.

Point being your attacking will need to improve heavily for the rest of the season rather than rely on luck.

However Sammut and Tuatai looked very good.

Are you serious that charnley was dropped ,I know he couldn't catch Jennings twice but he scored two trys in his last performance the world club championship is that bad form, if we dropped players out of form we wouldn't have a team