Slow time? I'm not sure what you mean. What I'm trying to get at is this - have a series of coaches taken against Wildie and mismanaged him and if so, why? And if he was the next great British half-back, why hasn't he had better offers from bigger clubs and taken them? I've nothing against the lad and I think he's a decent player, but I've seen no evidence to suggest that he's anything more than that.

As for Ryan - he too was a handful at Salford but looked a bit jaded against Bradford; again, 2 games in, it's far too early to call.

I blame Thursday on the players, not Agar.

I think he is capable of getting us into the eight with a bit of luck, as I rate him as a coach. I think he will send out players with a good game plan, and one that will be entertaining. I just think to execute it properly, the players have to be really on top of their game.

I try not to judge him on the back end of last year. I think the fight went out of the team once we were out of the play-offs. The year before, when we had a sniff of them, we saw the best out of the players. I'm hoping that would be the response if relegation looked likely.

I have around seventeen people in my tem ( at work) some are senior, world rated subject matter experts, others are grafters... And a few young developers who have real potential...

I am accountable for the performance of every one of them, I am accountable for the strategy and their values and behaviors whilst working. If any of them, or combination of them fail to produce what is expected it is my accountability... Same with Agar... Simples!

Same for Agar who is a very nice articulate and deep thinking person. He has a great knowledge of the game and is well respected by all who come in contact with him.

Does that make him a good rugby league coach...

I see and have never seen in his career, anything that enables be to answer that question positively...


I was one of those who didn't want him at first... I am not sure that opinion has ever changed.


Try scorer, you bemoan the situation that young players who show talent are dot developed into quality first grade players... I have thought the biggest failing of the British game has been the lack of ability of coaches to enable that transition . Take Wildie as an example, whenever I have seen him in the first trade he clearly has not been prepared properly to make the most of his opportunity, and IMO... Looked quite out of his depth.

As a coach yourself, how have you and the other coaching experts allowed this failing to occur, once again, the accountability for this stops with the coaching staff...

Further I look at the development of young players like the Burgess twins at South Sydney who both improved... Out if sight... And we're absolutely ready when given a first grade slot.


Please explain.

Some remarks earlier about Hampshire at Wigan.
Shaun Wane has said that this season he will play a number of games at full back. I think they see him gaining first team experience at fb rather than stand off so he doesn't take a physical hammering every game.
McGuire did that with Sam Tomkins.
At present I think Sam Powell is ahead of Hampshire for stand off and maybe Sarginson too. As great a talent as Hampshire is the Wigan coaching staff will try their very best to protect him and bring him through at a pace he can cope with.

Never said wildie was the next big British half back said he hasn't been given the coaching or encouragement to develop properly,when agar first came what did he do signed a kid no better than Wilde and gave him the number 7 shirt in wood where is he now he's constantly proved that if he ain't signed em he's not bothered about them I think he got the same criticisum at hull and if you don't know what slow timing id bren your not as intelligent as I thought

I wasn't dick measuring... I thing this is a massive failing in the British game, and I used Wildie a an example currently being discussed... How do we get talented young players to realise their talent in first grade...

But if you don't actually want to engage in a real discussion... Fine!

Think what happens blighty with teams in the nrl and the top sides over here if they spot a talented youngen he's assessed by the coaches and given special one on one coaching to develop his physigue , pace or skills whatever he's thought to need you can be sure if a lads got special talent and the right attitude he'll be encouraged and given every chance to develop

Sorry blighty my previous post was aimed at bren not your good self

Agar signed Molloy and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near getting a game.
I would have given him a go against Bradford and you never know, they could have made an offer for him if he had a good game!
What's gone is gone, need to look to Sunday's game now.
Team will have had a full weeks rest and more time together.
I'm sure the players will be more disappointed than the fans for serving that performance up.
Get a result on Sunday and things in the past will start to fade away.
I'm starting to come round, a bit like bren says. You hate them one week but by the middle of the week you can find positives and look forward to the next game.

Get vastman a snickers quick cos he can be a right diva at times ( from experience) my opinion if it counts is stick by agar only 2 games gone and get behind him and the team instead of wasting energy slagging them off ,if it was say wigan and not bradford i dont think wakey fans would of had a response as were seeing, hes brought in good players and they will gel, maybe this thread should of been started if 10 games in and in the poop.

We'll have beaten Cas by then so we'll be less worried.

Love the optimism pop tart youll need it ha

I have been accused of being "optimistic" before. Lol.
But the Bulls game has put us back as underdogs again for all games and we work better in those conditions.

People say give him 10 games; by then it could be too late

So if you change now, how many games are you giving the new guy?