It certainly is, what a shock!

Try scorer, victor - whose the third?

Though his employer had banned him from posting on forums

The development of players at a club like Wake is a premium but due to the pressure of success being put first, the franchise system gets pushed to the side.
Wake have produced some really good players but due to the colour of the shirt, they seemed to get overlooked for rep honours.
This makes them want to move to a top six club to get recognition.
This is basically what is wrong with the franchising system in our game.
In Oz it doesn't matter if you are playing for the bottom of the table side, if you are a quality player, you get picked to play rep rugby.
Happened to Civonocieva when he moved from Brisbane to Penrith a few years ago.
I maybe wearing my RW&B specs but I never thought that there was much to choose between Dennis Betts and Gary Price apart from which club they were playing for.

Got to agree with Victor, we are left with Anakin, Wildie, Trout and Walshaw from the best junior team in the land. They and others from that team should have played some first team for John Kear and certainly played a great deal more first team for Richard Agar. We are lucky to still have these lads on the books.

Although they were successful in my opinion that team was used as a box ticking exercise by Wakefield, and whilst a good team I think this hindered their development significantly.

I am not saying they were not a good team, because they were a very good team, but unlike other clubs who sent their players out on loan and who generally were not playing at that level in favor of testing them to play at a higher level Wakefield kept them in house.

I personally think this did them no favors in relation to their development and held them back.

In my opinion Junior rugby is about producing players not winning trophies. I am of the opinion Wakefield thought it would boost their franchise application if they produced a successful team at that level rather than doing what was right for the players and their development.

I was invited to make a comment about Bristow being on our scholarship program but wasn't in a position to post it how ever it has been mentioned that he was at Wakefield even though it was only for a short time.

I'm as frustrate as most on here to see a championship side not produce more than we have at this moment, I feel the blame for this being the reduction of the age of the reserve side and the lack money forcing players to seek opportunism else where.

there was mention about the Trin feel good factor where the youth that is playing now will they want to still turn out for the club, well from my understanding both Max and Jordan both want to play for their club and I know of a few more within the 16s that has the same devotion so the passion is still there.
Getting lads to stay is another you can't blame them for moving to better contracts so lets not blame the club for keeping within its budget.

And you know what the posting style of a few more is very similar, they believe every thing the club says or does even though they've been let down many times,but eh that's their views ,just because my views are different shouldn't mean me and a few more are catogarised I've been brought up on local rugby both amature and proffesional and my reactions are usually based on things directly or indirectly to do with that and if I see what I think are unjust happenings I'll say ok

Yeah, I fall for it every time

No truer word spoken Snowie. I know for a fact that Jordan would turn out for nothing just to wear the shirt.On the subject of the young lads,attitudes,commitment,hunger,what ever you want to call it,Jordan asked me what he was looking forward to more than anything,apart from the shirt,I thought scoring a try,it was actually going over to the Wakey fans and clapping them at the end of the game.Don't think many players would think of that one and I hope he's clapping us for many seasons to come.

Enjoy every minute of it Snowie,hope Louis goes well.

Heard your argument before John but it don't wash with me and others , you might come from this area but your views certainly represent those of a wigansupporter , alright maybe a couple of their older 18s played with their21s but I'm sure that was a lot to do with Wigan's belief that they could win tha league without them, Wakefield beat them 3times out of 4including a semi final play off and a final, anybody knows that Wigan want to win every thing and in their teams in that series were current first team squad members in ian thornley , Logan Tompkins,Sam Powell ,jack Hughes ,current international josh charnley ,warring tons new fullback mat Russell and super league player jack murphy oh yes jonh wake field beat nowt

Wigan brought most of those players back from duel reg for the semi and Wakefield dominated. Think Charnley may have been playing SL with Hull KR and the others in the 21's. Charnley was poor that day.

Ironically though your post actually supports my stance. Those lads dominated a team on the day filled with future first team players for Wigan, yet came to nothing at Wakefield because they were held back. The Wakefield 21's team at the time were made up of a few Huddersfield cast offs and amateur level players.

A lot if the Wigan fans were put out on the day of the semi that Wigan had changed selection policy and drafted in the more experienced lads, I may be wrong but I think most of them had also played in a 21's game vs Leeds the day before.

Finally FYI I wanted Wakefield to win that day as I had coached a good few of the lads and was in their younger days at the club before I went to the Giants so was made up for them.