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Quote: Wakey Til I Die "Well nearly 18K did on a snowy january evening last night. And i'd guarantee you there are more football fans in Wakefield than rugby so are they all wrong? Many i know happily enjoy watching both and to try and question skill levels accross sport is nothing short of ridiculous. Whether you are more entertained watching football or rugby is purely subjective.

More structure + less mavericks & freedom of expression
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Quote: wrencat1873 "£32 to watch a bunch of over paid prima donnas vs £21 to watch 2 teams genuinely putting their bodies on the line (not feigning a trip or conning a referee)
You really are having a laugh !

I have to agree with modern RL being more power based, but skill levels (along with fitness and strength) have certainly improved since the sport went full time.'"

Not having a laugh, plenty more people think paying that to watch football is value for money than they do paying to watch their local rugby teams. Leeds Utd average about the same as Wakey, Cas & the Rhinos put together on a weekly basis, whatever people on a RL forum might think of the 'beautiful' game (and to some extent i agree with you about by the way!). But i imagine if you asked a majority of soccer fans they wouldn't pay £22 to watch us either! It's all relative, what we should be doing regarding season tickets is not giving people an excuse not to renew. We have done that with this policy change. It's needs to be remembered that RL isn't even the biggest sport in its own heartland, we need to make sure it is not alienating its own.

And there is no doubt fitness levels have improved but i can't agree with skill levels. They may well be just as talented but how would know as has been said they are coached not to show it and stick to game plans which for me leads to a more sterile game than it used to be. Miller picked over Sammut seems to be an example of that. Again just my own opinion but attendances were down at most clubs last year even off the back off a successful world cup so something isn't right somewhere. I would reduce wrestling, go back to the 5 metres rule and reduce substitutions to try and bring back the true creative play. Whether it would help shift more tickets i don't know but i reckon it would help.

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Quote: JINJER "Bloody hell mate, you've put a lot of words into leaving this alone! Sorry, i'm off again for a while now! It needed stirring up on here anyway!

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Saying people are stupid for paying more to watch something you don't like doesn't really help us.
It's a fine opinion but we need people to buy tickest for Wakefield Trinity. Telling them (and I know we are not actually doing that) to just change their mind won't do it.

People go watch football over Wakefield because they
1) Prefer football
2) Have limited money and prefer football
3) their mates go and just go to be "In"
4) They don't know about other sports so go where they know

We can only change 3 and 4.

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Quote: Wakey Til I Die "Sorry, i'm off again for a while now! It needed stirring up on here anyway!'"


Just in case you hadn't noticed, we do have a specialist on here whose sole purpose is to do just that, and it's not to sell season tickets' btw icon_biggrin.gif

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Watch Leeds UTD..... icon_stupid.gif I'd rather stick pins in my eyeballs icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Wakey Til I Die "Not having a laugh, plenty more people think paying that to watch football is value for money than they do paying to watch their local rugby teams. Leeds Utd average about the same as Wakey, Cas & the Rhinos put together on a weekly basis, whatever people on a RL forum might think of the 'beautiful' game (and to some extent i agree with you about by the way!). But i imagine if you asked a majority of soccer fans they wouldn't pay £22 to watch us either! It's all relative, what we should be doing regarding season tickets is not giving people an excuse not to renew. We have done that with this policy change. It's needs to be remembered that RL isn't even the biggest sport in its own heartland, we need to make sure it is not alienating its own.

And there is no doubt fitness levels have improved but i can't agree with skill levels. They may well be just as talented but how would know as has been said they are coached not to show it and stick to game plans which for me leads to a more sterile game than it used to be. Miller picked over Sammut seems to be an example of that. Again just my own opinion but attendances were down at most clubs last year even off the back off a successful world cup so something isn't right somewhere. I would reduce wrestling, go back to the 5 metres rule and reduce substitutions to try and bring back the true creative play. Whether it would help shift more tickets i don't know but i reckon it would help.'"


Football is the "National Sport" and it will remain so for the foreseeable future, but when you consider that there are 3 SL clubs within Leeds United's catchment area, your analogy may not be right ??

I have to say that your forum name seems out of place with your views on attending Wakey games.
Maybe you should be called "Wakey when it suits" and not "Wakey till I die", unless you are coming to us from beyond the grave icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: snowie "I'm not talking about the students and OAP's, there's been cheaper tickets and even freebies been handed around like sweets for a long time with a scant disregard for the clubs future, that with the cheeky buggers that jump the walls,
you reap what you sew and now the hard line has been put in front there's mass hysteria and outrage that this is all unfair

what the club should do is with every admittance there should be ear plugs handed out just so you don't hear all the whining that goes on'"


I remember under Glover when nobody questioned what was happening, those fans who knew something was wrong were labelled as whingers and moaners. Now MC is here he has his own set of fans who will defend any decision he makes without question because it suits there agenda. End of the day most on this forum have the best interests of the club at heart.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Football is the "National Sport" and it will remain so for the foreseeable future, but when you consider that there are 3 SL clubs within Leeds United's catchment area, your analogy may not be right ??

I have to say that your forum name seems out of place with your views on attending Wakey games.
Maybe you should be called "Wakey when it suits" and not "Wakey till I die", unless you are coming to us from beyond the grave You have spectacularly missed the point again but i can't say that surprises me. If i knew how i probably would change this user name despite when it was set up it was very much the case. What does that tell you because it's not just me that feels this way? To be honest i doubt i'd be bothered if i never stepped foot in Belle Vue again which was unthinkable even three or four seasons ago.

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Quote: RealSteel89 "I remember under Glover when nobody questioned what was happening, those fans who knew something was wrong were labelled as whingers and moaners. Now MC is here he has his own set of fans who will defend any decision he makes without question because it suits there agenda. End of the day most on this forum have the best interests of the club at heart.'"
wasn't under the Richardson and Glover regime had staff that was milking the employment and took money way and above their value for money, this was the problem and reason for where we are now recovering from them said years, yes its amazing how fans can have the wool pulled over the eyes me included

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You cannot compare Leeds Utd with SL as a product (Superleague always comes first for me) but regarding pricing - I paid £27 for a family stand ticket against Wigan Athletic on Boxing day and only £21 in the South Stand against Birmingham on Saturday. Seating at Cas Tigers and WTW is £24. Not much difference IMO.

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Quote: Tigerade "You cannot compare Leeds Utd with SL as a product (Superleague always comes first for me) but regarding pricing - I paid £27 for a family stand ticket against Wigan Athletic on Boxing day and only £21 in the South Stand against Birmingham on Saturday. Seating at Cas Tigers and WTW is £24. Not much difference IMO.'"


I also went to Elland Rd on Boxing Day and paid £32 for my ticket, after watching the game my genuine assessment of the value of what I'd watched would be about £3.20.

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The comparison with ticket prices at football is a false one and is a red herring. LUFC (for example) vary ticket prices by game and the quoted price of £32 is probably what would be charged to away supporters. But actually if you want to look at football there is an example of how clubs make season tickets work for the fans - they provide "value" (over paying on the gate) and encourage loyalty by providing fringe extras and getting people to attend every game. Personally I would need paying to attend but you can see how powerfully football clubs use their season ticket schemes. I am not sure how much LUFC season tickets are but I presume they start at about £400-£500.

For example, my colleague has a Bradford City season ticket (forget the standard of football for now) which cost under £200 and that gets him into around 20 games, which would cost ~£20 per game should he pick and choose. That's a significant saving over paying on the gate and attending the majority of games. On top of that, once a couple in a group of friends get a season ticket then others follow suit.

Putting aside the "true die hard fans" that would buy a season ticket "come what may" to support the club, the real issue is keeping the viewers we got when we were selling more tickets because they were cheaper. Small increments might have been the way to go to keep people on the season ticket "treadmill". A sharp increase tends to focus people's minds into making a decision whether to continue or not. At current pricing there is not a significant saving over paying on the gate, especially if there is a good chance that you may miss a couple of games and the club also has a history of discounting tickets for lower category games to get more through the turnstiles.

From my point of view, I was willing to get a season ticket at the early bird price (even though I tend to miss a couple of games) but the person I attend with was not. His decision was based on the "OAP" concession as he is 60-65. Whether I think he is right or wrong is irrelevant and he won't change his mind, therefore I haven't renewed either as we have always gone together. It's not a massive decision for me as I tend to miss a few games for various other commitments and both of us will continue to support the club, buy shirts and pay on the gate. In my mind that doesn't make us lesser fans, we are just doing what suits our circumstances.

I don't think the season tickets should be "on the cheap" but I think they are currently too highly priced to sway those floating fans who may/may not buy a season ticket. There is also the sheep mentality where one buys, some others may do too but this also works in reverse when people choose not to renew.

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Quote: The Avenger "I also went to Elland Rd on Boxing Day and paid £32 for my ticket, after watching the game my genuine assessment of the value of what I'd watched would be about £3.20.'"
maybe you should have gone to headingley boxing day then

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Quote: Wakey Til I Die "You have spectacularly missed the point again but i can't say that surprises me. If i knew how i probably would change this user name despite when it was set up it was very much the case. What does that tell you because it's not just me that feels this way? To be honest i doubt i'd be bothered if i never stepped foot in Belle Vue again which was unthinkable even three or four seasons ago.'"


Apologies WTID, you seem to have issues far beyond the price structure of the new season tickets and for any fan to be turned away from the club, for whatever reason, is never a good thing.
The club has been through massive amounts of turmoil and change ever since I started watching in '88 and the financial issues under the Richardson era and then under the Glover regime have certainly caused damage which will take many years to repair and some of the changes under the new management haven't always been well received.

Mind you, I still don't get football over RL !

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