On that we most definitely agree.

To be fair having watched it again the pass from Miller to TJ is quite a way forward, unless Steve is drawing his lines at angles.

What’s worse from a Salford point of view is both the ref and touch judge are both in very good positions to see it, and maybe the touch judge on the other side of the field is/should be even better placed as having that distance should assist.

I won’t lose any sleep over it, as I said plenty have gone against us over the years.

When the video ref is there I think we probably do have the technology to judge on forward passes. If they can get these onside offside call right in football when their are literally mm in it then I’m sure we have enough cameras and the software to get them right. I’m sure they now call on them to judge them in Union.

On this occasion it went for us, but if the technology exists we need to use it to get it right when we can.

The problem is for rugby league is that they don't have video ref at every game so it's deemed unfair.

Just to be clear PT, the ref at Wire chose not to listen to his assistant and not to go to the VR to check whether Kelepi had been pulled back.
This is somewhat different to missing a forward pass.

Dont know if it was cheating but, it was poor refereeing at it's worst.

No try, no review and not even a bloody penalty.

Yes, we won the game and nobody can know what difference going in all square at ht would have made to the final score but, it was an absolute shocker.

I presume that you weren't at the game ?

I don’t like that argument if it is the official reason as having a video ref make the call on any ruling could be deemed unfair.

The whole point is it is meant to assist and cut down on human error.

When we are able to and have the technology to do so we need to get the ruling correct even if we cannot in all the fixtures.

I believe they are trialing a microchipped ball which will hopefully inform refs if a ball has gone forward out of the hands, assume it uses GPS. The danger is though the game becomes too stop start I guess when these technological elements are introduced to the game.

For my mind it’s part and parcel of this great game of our ,if it gets pulled fair do’s ,its not like every other team out there don't sling the odd forward pass in a game ,some are real exponents of the short forward pass ,you could even argue it’s a skill to deceive ,and has been coached into their game .Makes me chuckle when play is at the other end of the field and fans behind the sticks shout (gerrem onside ) . All part of this rich tapestry of a day out at Rugby ,and for me long may it continue ,and to my mind hope that technology doesn’t erode further the spectacle ,as players are human after all and not robots and do make mistakes , or push their luck ,just as we all do in life .

But it is cheating just not in the conventional sence.

Missing a forward pass is a mistake, I accept that as should all fans. It’s a decision made in the moment where there is no recourse to second look.

In the Kelepi incident there is. The SL along with SKY spent a fortune on technology to ensure the ref doesn’t need to make glaring mistakes wherever possible. All the protocols and options were there for the ref to use and for no reason anyone can think of he refused. That may have been a mistake as you say but it was an inexcusable one, utterly needles.

If the result of the game had gone the other way I think it would be very fair to say we had been cheated of a great victory.

Avoidable incompetence is cheating in all but name because it cheats those you are suppose to be serving - the fans.

So all the way through that, you effectively say its not cheating.

I may be on my own, but I'm not convinced Miller's pass was forward.
Clearly it travels forward relative to the field, but passes on the run always do. He gets stopped immediately by the Salford defender as he releases the ball, but the receiver is behind him at the time and doesn't accelerate onto the ball to catch it.
The touch judge is in perfect position to see any forward pass. Even though Miller stops, he's released the ball, so that will continue on its normal trajectory.
These are the perfect conditions for the optical illusion of it being passed forward.

I'm sure that everyone has seen far, far worse, especially at Headingley

Cheating is a word that has more than one way of being expressed and thus has more than one meaning. You've chosen to make a one-man stand against the popular consensus on this issue, your choice.

However, he cheated the fans by being incompetent. Stop pretending you don't know exactly what I mean.

We get a way with a forward pass in game against Salford ,and we got some fans calling it cheating. Think it is more down to the kind of foot ball we are playing this season.Do not agree with Salford coach who said it was 3 yard forward or was it 5 .Been in the game a lot since S L started ,as said Leeds were very good at it. We were on a very bad one at M W against Catalan could name a lot more that as gone against us .My best one was when B Boston scored the winning try against us at Wakefield .it was so far forward that he stopped running .The ref said play on so he started running and scored .Still the same down to the ref in what he wants to see and does not

Correct, I never said blatant cheating myself as it wasn't that kind of cheating. I just think he cheated the fans as that one could have cost us dearly with no justification.