meh probably a bit harsh in retrospect, i dont see loads of him i suppose but he just seems to fall to the first tackle alot. Also what i have seen of O Meley lately seems distinctly average.

Stick by Ryan Hall though and his namesake Atkins.

I'd also put half of the Bradford team in there with Sykes tbh.

Lee Smith truly ordinary player with attitude

England is painfully devoid of any what I would even consider close to International class outside backs, and in that I include Michael Shenton, another I really do not get.

Stunning to think not too long ago there was a major debate of who between Lee Smith and Greg Inglis was the top junior player and would go on to be a top class senior when they came up against each other at Academy International level.

While I`m thinking about it, Matt Seers, state of origin player who apart from thumping Ryan Hudson did nothing for us

What about that big bloke with the bald head that plays for Leeds

Never cut it Internationally. Not saying Joel will either by the way, but he has a chance.

Because he can draw the man and run decent lines it appears. I agree though, these are just basics which shows how bad we are in this position.

Not sure I agree. I think he's done OK. At the end of the day the Aussie backs will always look far better because their forwards and halves have already won the battle. They got chances served on a plate whilst the likes of Senior had to fashion their own chances or feed off crumbs.

You always got the feeling that given space Senior would have scored plenty. With our current centre and wingers you fear they may not even know which direction the try line is.

Cummins made a career out of simply following Harris or Holroyd round the park. Whenever either of the two made a break (which in Harris's case was quite often) all they had to do was look to their left as the full back approached and there was Francis again, ready to collect and walk in another try.

Seem to remember watching him kick 14(?) goals in 1 match a few years back

GRaham and Hall now this is getting daft.

Now this is getting daft.

for me the one i always think was over rated was denis betts, played in one of the best rugby sides ever, did sod all for england and got hugely found out in the nrl.

and weirdly martin offiah, i think id have got 30 tries a season outside darren wright and gene miles and from his website....

had great hands and an eye for a try, often making interceptions then racing the length of the field to score. I received criticism over my defensive game, but such was the dominance of the Wigan during this period, that I was rarely required to defend.

when he went london he was pants and.... david jones had him for toast at bv!

Never really got Sonny Nickle myself.