I actually wish them well but wanted to point out the flaw in their SL statement and why it appears they do not actually believe it themselves. If we are honest, that other than those receiving a provisional A rating are sure of their place. I am sure all teams have some idea of their score but not how it compares to the other clubs.

They can work it out for others to a certain extent. It would take a bit of effort but you can estimate most of it.

Looking at the handbook it’s pretty easy like you say to work out what Trinity are most likely going to score. A lot of it is clear cut thresholds.

Our performance score looks pretty good to say we were relegated

Assuming everyone in Super League finishes where they are now, we would get a score of 2.7427. The same as we got last time.
That's assuming we win the grand final which puts us in 13th place on the ladder.
By winning the Grand Final we then get extra bonus points for just this year of 0.35 (1895 and Grand Final)

Which would be 3.0927 out of a possible 5

That puts us in a good position given the increase in stadium score.

Its hard to say what the final number is as I don't know the financials for our Community Foundation and I didn't go back and look at the previous years financials as both are an average of the past 3 years.
I think a big differential will be the social media Fandom section which is completely within our control. We need to be liking and sharing all those posts across all platforms.
But we are strong in the financial area and only getting stronger. A lot of other teams will be losing points in this area.

But given the bits I do know, I think we'll be heading for a 14.5 type number. maybe higher but not a 15 yet.
Another year of financial stability and we could be pushing for a 15.

Eamonn McManus has just revealed that Saints lost £1.319.274 in 2013 and is projected to see a further increase in losses in 2024.Due to smaller central distributions deriving from reduced broadcasting rights income. If a club like Saints are finding it impossible to run a successful team without being subsidised by a wealthy owner, the future for clubs without an owner with deep pockets doesn't look promising !

We made profits before Ellis came in.
What they need is a Carter to stop them spending what they haven't got.

Agreed. You can’t spend more than what comes in or this is what happens. You either have to subsidise us with deep pockets or cut your cloth accordingly.

Do they lose IMG points for such deficits?

You get points for profits and income so yes and no.
You don't get the points so yes but from the report they probably never had those points.

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/im ... next-month Mixed messages as Gledhill reckons clubs have got their provisional scores. Time will tell I suppose.

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/im ... next-month Mixed messages as Gledhill reckons clubs have got their provisional scores. Time will tell I suppose.

I’ve been thinking this for a few weeks but I’m going to put a prediction in.. Huddersfield to be out of SL 2025 or be 12th.

There are only 14 teams with a chance of getting in the 12.
6 of them are safe with grade A.
I think Hull will lose their A but still be close at a 14.9ish.
We'll be next in my opinion.
Unless Salford have really stuffed up their finances they should be ok.

Which leaves Huddersfield, Toulouse, Leigh, Cas and Bradford for 3 places.
Leigh will get a small boost from league position.
Cas think they've achieve a stadium points boost.

So as you say that last place is down to Toulouse, Bradford and Giants.

The difficult for Giants is that the quick fix points come from stadium and Performance bonus points, and maybe fandom. The others are all averages over 3 years so an improvement is only a small boost to your points.

So, relevant to us is that Toulouse could really do with the points from Grand Final win. We need to make sure they are ours.

Will Leigh's league table improvement be enough to cancel out their loss of the Challenge Cup win points? Don't think it can, can it?

Giants just look very vulnerable to me. Toulouse do need the GF points but I can’t see it mattering when we have gained well in excess of over 1 full point upwards for facilities, LED and possibly finance.

Giants are declining year on year by looks in crowds and finishing position. Doesn’t look great for them in next few years if a few you mention find some investment.

Leigh would increase their performance score by 0.2286 if they finish between 5th and 8th.
So they would lose only 0.03 when they lose the challenge cup bonus.

They were 11th over 3 years last time. But would be 9th with a 5th place finish. With a big gap below them.

I'll see if I can upload a pic of the excel so you can see my workings.