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Quote: TheDreadnought "I hadn't seen HV's reply as I have him on ignore but good for you guys who can afford to do that, I also have had season ticket for a few years now and sorted mine for 2020 which is why I wanted to ensure nobody sees this as me stamping my feet because I want it cheaper, I want to see the club be a success and IMO replicating other teams is the way forward.'"


We’ll replicate Hudds £80 next year. I wouldn’t bank on seeing a game on Boxing Day mind....

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Quote: Daddycool "Approached our ‘alternative to state aid’? So that would be Wakefield council. What do you reckon the answer might be?

As for sponsors, major blue chip brands aren’t exactly falling over themselves to get into rugby league. We are lucky to have 1! You make it sound oh so simple? Our average sponsor probably contributes about 5k. Do you know how tough it is to get more?'"


Read back a couple of pages I don’t think it’s oh so easy. I know how difficult “new business” is to obtain. I will one last time reiterate, what is going on in the background to change that? What are Wakefield Trinity doing to become the pioneer for Rugby League? I gather it’s obvious that I’m also talking about much more than the season ticket price. Which I might add and hope that anyone that does reply to me does it read, not for one second do I expect the season ticket prices to lower now or in fact in the next 5 years.

Side note: In honesty guys this is the first time in a while I’ve enjoyed myself whilst posting on here and I have had to wind anyone up to do so! Thanks for a great debate so far!

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Quote: TheDreadnought "I don’t understand your point on the payment plan, are you saying 3 instalments of around £75pp is easier to swallow for the average household than £19.99pp is?

I sell office supplies and yes, putting a sales plan together is something I do weekly for around £5m worth of business.
Understanding your market is step one, would you comfortably say that the average support/potential fan of Wakefield Trinity can afford £75 per person per month for 3 months? (Compared to £19.99 as mentioned above).

I understand we can’t rely on millions of investment from the state like Melbourne hence my point right at the beginning where I asked what we were doing to mimic clubs like that? Not why haven’t we had £26.5m in funding.

Personally I believe the main reason for a boost in season ticket sales comes from two 5th place finishes in a row.

In terms of price matching, I say it everyday in the office and every weekend in the pub (only to different audiences)

No offence, but I dont think you can compare "office supplies" to try and balance the books - as MC has to do - with a professional sports team.
I also work in sales and management and tbh, you make it sound like a walk in the park.....
As for the £ cost, people will decide to pay how they can - my mate pays in 3mths, I pay via commit 6.
The bottom line is as long as people do it, thats all that counts.

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Quote: TheDreadnought "Read back a couple of pages I don’t think it’s oh so easy. I know how difficult “new business” is to obtain. I will one last time reiterate, what is going on in the background to change that? What are Wakefield Trinity doing to become the pioneer for Rugby League? I gather it’s obvious that I’m also talking about much more than the season ticket price. Which I might add and hope that anyone that does reply to me does it read, not for one second do I expect the season ticket prices to lower now or in fact in the next 5 years.

Side note

You’ve done me, I’m out. We just sit around all week playing championship manager

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TheDreadnought, you do realise we have commit 6, £26 a month, gets you 6 lines in weekly 1873 draw and pays for the following years season ticket? That's spreading the cost over the year, plus chances of winning £250 each week.

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Couldn't say that in all honesty

The reasons for your whinging about nothing you can actually justify, remain an unknown

but I suppose if it quacks like a duck, people will draw their own conclusions.

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Quote: Upanunder "Couldn't say that in all honesty

The reasons for your whinging about nothing you can actually justify, remain an unknown

but I suppose if it quacks like a duck, people will draw their own conclusions.'"


Have you actually read anything I’ve put? Everything I have about any other club is a fact. You obviously haven’t read it as I’ve confirmed I don’t know how many times that I’ve sorted my season ticket.

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Quote: Daddycool "You’ve done me, I’m out. We just sit around all week playing championship manager'"


I never said that though did I, do as you please. Enjoy championship manager lad

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Quote: TrinityDave "TheDreadnought, you do realise we have commit 6, £26 a month, gets you 6 lines in weekly 1873 draw and pays for the following years season ticket? That's spreading the cost over the year, plus chances of winning £250 each week.'"


I didn’t know that to be honest, double the initial 3 months that I thought but still more than Hull however I’ll admit it’s not as much as a increase.

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Quote: TheDreadnought "It's one of the factors absolutely, I won't deny that but I am asking what the club (and other clubs in SL) are doing in the background to compete with NRL prices, £80 season tickets and £19.99pm plans. All of which I am not speculating about, I'm providing facts.

More realistic pricing or payment options to me *key word* could bring more fans, shop sales and match day profit on consumables.

Does anyone know how many season tickets we sold last year?'"


We aren't competing with the NRL. No one is going to say, "£25 to go to Belle Vue. Outrageous. I'm off to Melbourne instead."

My comment about the general admission prices when I went to Aus in April was to put in context the Melbourne season ticket prices, in that they are consistent with the single ticket prices, not that we are overpriced.

Cutting season ticket prices doesn't work. Remember the Bradford £80 tickets, a third of the normal cost? If they sold three times as many, they only make the same amount of money as they did before, BUT lose the "on the day" gate money the other two thirds would bring. And if you remember, Bradford went bust straight after. Bradford assumed that fans would spend money on consumables. They didn't. If someone wants to buy a burger at a game, they will. No one will buy a burger they wouldn't ordinarily buy just because they got a cheap season ticket six months earlier.

What brings crowds, and money, in sport is success. To get success, you've got to be able to buy the best players, which means finding the resources, not gambling it all on consumers, who are traditionally from a less weathy demographic, on turning up in droves to witness a bargain basement team try to win, purely on the basis of it being cheap.

We're in the entertainment business. To attract crowds, you have to entertain. To entertain, you have to have the players. To have the players, you have to have the guaranteed income.

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Quote: TheDreadnought "I never said that though did I, do as you please. Enjoy championship manager lad'"


What you don't seem to get is although you think you are having a lively debate you don't take on what other people say and accuse them of not reading yours.

You imply in your questioning that you think the reason we are not like Melbourne Storm is through lack of effort. You've been around long enough to see there is effort in what the club does. The issue is money.
Melbourne and even Huddersfield have money in the city and money that sees value in investing in rugby league. Wakefield isn't like that.

Even in the 70s when we had a new era building, we had to sell and with the greatest respect replaced with older has beens. Having David Topliss and Trevor Sjerret plating for us still didn't give us Leeds type crowds. When they went to Hull it drew people in.

So asking MC what he has done to compete with NRL or teams with sugar daddy investors is naive at best.

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