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Quote: Daddycool "I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted?? Never been described as a henchman before. Can't punch my way out of a wet paper bag!!'"


You be called a lot worse in your time as chairman of WTW!
Here at WTW we punch well above are weight.
It's what we do best!!
I'm also a non believer?
My first question on Monday night will be?
Can the real Daddy Cool please stand up??

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Quote: Topcat13 "You be called a lot worse in your time as chairman of WTW!
Here at WTW we punch well above are weight.
It's what we do best!!
I'm also a non believer?
My first question on Monday night will be?
Can the real Daddy Cool please stand up??[/quote] Told you I have been sat next to him whilst he has been logged on , how much more proof do you need ?

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He said he's a non believer feline so i guess it'll not convince him.

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Bad practice for Chairman to post on here. Inviting unnecessary hassle for himself and the end result might not be pretty. Just my opinion Mr Carter, you've enough on your plate.

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Quote: Mikey T "Bad practice for Chairman to post on here. Inviting unnecessary hassle for himself and the end result might not be pretty. Just my opinion Mr Carter, you've enough on your plate.'"


Already got his little sycophants, which is a shame for him. Said it with Glover, said it with the Richardsons - keep it on the website and keep your distance. Those kissing your feet now, will stab you in the back later.

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Don't worry, I don't have people kissing my feet!!
And nobody will stop me coming on. It's a forum isn't it??
Plus I don't mind hassle. Bring my family into it and that's a different matter.

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Quote: Starbug "Thats the problem Charlie, where are these ' Sports Business Managers ' ? , do they exist '"


For me, the person responsible for running the day to day operations needn't be a 'sports' business manager - just a business manager; there are plenty of them around and, for the right incentives, they could be attracted into the game. For a professional manager, a sports club could be a refreshing change and a new challenge.

Longer term, perhaps the sport itself could take some initiative and start growing future leaders; start a genuine development programme to attract professionals who don't have the skewed perspective of a former player, a fan or an idealistic multi-millionaire. RL has far too many unqualified boneheads in crucial leadership positions - have a quick peek up at Red Hall to verify that statement.

In the short term, it does appear that for now at least, WTW has someone at the helm who is prepared to make unpopular decisions for the greater good; painful as it may be, long may it continue.

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Quote: bren2k "For me, the person responsible for running the day to day operations needn't be a 'sports' business manager - just a business manager; there are plenty of them around and, for the right incentives, they could be attracted into the game. For a professional manager, a sports club could be a refreshing change and a new challenge.

Longer term, perhaps the sport itself could take some initiative and start growing future leaders; start a genuine development programme to attract professionals who don't have the skewed perspective of a former player, a fan or an idealistic multi-millionaire. RL has far too many unqualified boneheads in crucial leadership positions - have a quick peek up at Red Hall to verify that statement.

In the short term, it does appear that for now at least, WTW has someone at the helm who is prepared to make unpopular decisions for the greater good; painful as it may be, long may it continue.'"


Spot on, exactly how I see things, the sport is the sport, and the business is the business , they require different skills, but all too often you get people from one side looking after the issues of the other

I do hope you find the solution and Wakey move forward, all the best

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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "Already got his little sycophants, which is a shame for him. Said it with Glover, said it with the Richardsons - keep it on the website and keep your distance. Those kissing your feet now, will stab you in the back later.'"



Had to google that one but of course you may well be proved right.

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Quote: El Rey "Had to google that one but of course you may well be proved right.'"


Sadly, I was the last two times. I hope I'm not, and I have all the respect for our new Chairman, I just feel an internet forum is the wrong place to be on. Ask Shane McNally, Diane Rogerson and Adrian Vowles.

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Quote: Daddycool "Don't worry, I don't have people kissing my feet!!
And nobody will stop me coming on. It's a forum isn't it??
Plus I don't mind hassle. Bring my family into it and that's a different matter.'"

It is a forum, a FANS' forum. It's your choice of course but I cant help thinking you're inviting trouble. Good luck with everything nevertheless.

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Quote: El Rey "Personally i'd like to thank him for putting us on the brink of extinction in a matter of 18 months.


Disgusting is a word i've heard none paid suppliers use, still who cares about the reputation of this once great club in the city of Wakefield.

Garbage is how many fans feel they've been treated under AG.

For All Teds faults he's worth 3 Glovers.'"



I'm only basing my opinion on what I see as an outsider looking in Al.......I see the amount of his own money he put in and the intentions he had to make the club successful.

If I see and hear from the right people and have it as fact, things he has done so badly wrong then I may change my opinion.....

You are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is......You obviously know things I don't, or think you do? Would probably make people like me easier to understand, and maybe have the same opinion as you if you actually posted what you know......is there any reason why you don't, out of interest?

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I’d have to agree with some of the Glover defenders on here. I don’t think the argument is as simple as has been polarised by some and feel that Glover can be defended to an extent without being accused of rose tinted glasses or naivety. He saved the club albeit temporarily when nobody else was coming in to our rescue. He’d thrown the club a few quid before through sponsorship of match days etc and I think came with the best intentions only to receive poor advice and get in way over his head.

Their seems an attitude in some circles that Ted’s era was a Halcion period ruined by the evil double glazing salesman and his henchmen. I recall the Richardson years ending in administration, a desperate plea for fans to donate thousands, a firesale of talent and ‘complications’ involving an Irish owned bank, the stadium ownership and an off-shore account none of which were ever explained to me. Déjà vu anyone ?

So essentially, we have had two complete meltdowns – neither one seems to have covered the club in glory. Both are as ‘bad’ as one another – But just as continuing in the Glover vein would be foolish, just as ridiculous would be a return to the management style that came before.

There are far more who claim to be ‘in the know’ than I would ever profess. I can only judge the club on my interaction with them. For me, my experiences have improved in the last two years ‘on my level’ ; I can buy things online with a certainty they’ll arrive, I can contact the club and speak to a person rather than a post-it and I now stand in the dry under a covering with a fantastic atmosphere. Thus, for me, as a common or garden fan who goes to the games ,buys the shirts, programmes, raffle ticket etc,( but isn’t a businessman, doesn’t know how to run a business and frankly, leaves that to better people ) the Glover years have been an improvement.
If this is all sheen and underneath we have paid a heavy price for the above, I will bow to those with greater knowledge than myself.

Richardson clearly loved the club enough to put his money in but never seemed to do anything with it. I always felt we lacked initiative, drifting from one season to the next. Glover has ended up with the same result as his predecessor – ie failure, through biting off more than he can chew. Ultimately, it seems a very British negativity to judge the second failure as worse than the first, because ‘ he got our hopes up’ rather than getting hopes up at all. The net result of both is that we are in the mire. Does it really matter the style in which we got there ?

The bottom line is they were both unable to maintain the club - but could either of them done so anyway ?

I have no axe to grind with the either regime and don’t consider myself on either ‘side’– I feel for both Richardson and Glover who made mistakes but not because they were corrupt or looking to profit at our expense. They are both hampered by a city that aside from a core of 5000 ( ? ) die hards, has a casual fan base who never get round to attending a game, or businesses that haven’t invested in what should be a historic institution that puts Wakefield on the map.

I don’t think Richardson is worth ‘3 Andrew Glovers’ or vice versa. Holding up either man as a messiah or saviour solves no problems. But both men deserve more credit than they’ve been given from their critics for actually stumping up in the first place.

Mr Carter has apparently put his house on saving the club. If he fails, will his personal sacrifice by ignored by those looking to rubbish another Wakefield collapse ? Or will fans actually remember that he tried to help in the first place ?

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Excellent post that!!

Just for the record, I have absolutely nothing against the Richardson's either........maybe a little touch of nepotism going on.....bit like 'jobs for the boys' recently....it happens in companies up and down the land though....always has done, always will do.....9 times out of 10 in a negative way too......

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Quote: upthecats "I'm only basing my opinion on what I see as an outsider looking in Al.......I see the amount of his own money he put in and the intentions he had to make the club successful.

If I see and hear from the right people and have it as fact, things he has done so badly wrong then I may change my opinion.....

You are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is......You obviously know things I don't, or think you do? Would probably make people like me easier to understand, and maybe have the same opinion as you if you actually posted what you know......is there any reason why you don't, out of interest?'"



I know mate, hopefully we can move forward after mondays meeting.

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