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Quote: Trinityknight "Deffo deluded no doubt about that yes i got my facts wrong im man enough to admit it it spose and yes we squeezed past london on that night

But it doesnt alter our recent record and performces are poor go ask any fans who dont follow wakey and they will have us down as chance relagation candidates.which as like some im not deluded i can live with that i do qorey what leigh can achieve weather they will or not will be there to be seen i am not having ago at any player i actually think chris and mc re doing a great job under the circumstances esp with lowest budget out there.

But i will stand by my initial post i feel leigh out of all the teams promoted are best equipped to stay in sl due to the decent squad thay have built and the finances to go out and further improve'"


What finances have they built, they have been on the edge of going under for years, only Derek Beaumont keeping them afloat. However let's make this clear, Derek Beaumont is not a wealthy man in the same way as say, Ken Davy. He couldn't bankroll Leigh last time and in these days of COVID he won't this time either. I think you're a bit of fantasist.

Chriss Bretherton left ages ago by the way.

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Quote: Trinityknight "Deffo deluded no doubt about that yes i got my facts wrong im man enough to admit it it spose and yes we squeezed past london on that night

But it doesnt alter our recent record and performces are poor go ask any fans who dont follow wakey and they will have us down as chance relagation candidates.which as like some im not deluded i can live with that i do qorey what leigh can achieve weather they will or not will be there to be seen i am not having ago at any player i actually think chris and mc re doing a great job under the circumstances esp with lowest budget out there.

But i will stand by my initial post i feel leigh out of all the teams promoted are best equipped to stay in sl due to the decent squad thay have built and the finances to go out and further improve'"


Anyone who states “a fact” that is most definitely wrong is most definitely deluded HTH c020.gif

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Chriss Bretherton left ages ago by the way.'"

This factually accurate lifelong club supporter probably thinks Michael Carter is still the chairman as well icon_lol.gif

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Quote: financialtimes "Firstly, I'm no friend of yours deluded or not
Completely disagree, to say his comments mean nothing because we won a game that we had to to survive is bizarre, we were one game away from relegation, whichever way you look at it or however we got there I would not like to be in that situation again!

As we have all discussed before, that stems from a number of elements but recruitment is no doubt one of them, Chester has got a couple of decisions wrong over the past couple of years (and some very good ones granted) and he got it wrong at Hull KR, we don`t have money to be thrown about which I imagine makes it all the harder but we need to get it right. I have no doubt KR will be vastly improved given Smith has the chance to build his own side, they looked a lot better as soon as he come in, IMO he is one of the best coaches in the league and that will show next season.

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Quote: financialtimes "Anyone who states “a fact” that is most definitely wrong is most definitely deluded HTH
And that is a fact.

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Quote: Trinityknight "Did or did we not go into the game with london where a loss would or sorry could of sent us down just cos maybe a couple of other results went our way does not alter things does it
So my deluded friend fact that im not a trinity supporter is more than false i attened my first game i can remember in 1987 when we gained promotion and we beat wigan hull znd warrington in thd first few weeks i was at shefffied for first ever gzme st don vally stadium when players not involved had a foit race round the track.my happiest though was been stood on kop st ellznd rd winning yorkshire cup before the invention of sl

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Quote: homme vaste "Completely disagree, to say his comments mean nothing because we won a game that we had to to survive is bizarre, we were one game away from relegation, whichever way you look at it or however we got there I would not like to be in that situation again! .'"


Wrong, unless we'd have lost by 115 points we still wouldn't have been relegated.
However, my comment about what the poster put meaning nothing, was in relation to the "fact" that he stated it was a "fact" that we finished 2nd from bottom the last 2 seasons, which I pointed out the his "fact" wasn't a fact so his comment means nothing, however if he had put "we were 1 game away from relegation fact" I may have had a different response, even though if the other results remained the same we still wouldn't have been relegated. The stars were aligned that night and we lived to fight another day.
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Quote: financialtimes "Wrong, unless we'd have lost by 115 points we still wouldn't have been relegated.
However, my comment about what the poster put meaning nothing, was in relation to the "fact" that he stated it was a "fact" that we finished 2nd from bottom the last 2 seasons, which I pointed out the his "fact" wasn't a fact so his comment means nothing, however if he had put "we were 1 game away from relegation fact" I may have had a different response, even though if the other results remained the same we still wouldn't have been relegated. The stars were aligned that night and we lived to fight another day.
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So you are telling me we weren't going into that game either needing a win or banking on other teams to win? Maybe my memory isn`t serving me well but that is how I remember it.

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Quote: homme vaste "So you are telling me we weren't going into that game either needing a win or banking on other teams to win? Maybe my memory isn`t serving me well but that is how I remember it.'"

We finished in 9th on 22pts with a points difference of -115, Hudds finished in 10th on 22pts points difference -205, KR finished 11th on 20pts with -230 points difference with London on 20pt, if we'd lost London would have be 10th on 22 points and unless they had beaten us by 115 points we would have be 11th and KR bottom, those are "facts" icon_thumb.gif

I'll address the "deluded" tag I've been given as I didn't really before. At no point in the last season or on this thread have I stated that we were a top 4 team, I haven't said we needent worry about Leigh (or any other team) I do think we have a task in front of us and if we play like we did for the majority of last season o right suffer a similar injury crisis to that 2019 then we will be in trouble. Just another "fact" that our fellow forum member seems to have found to be I tad innacurate icon_thumb.gif

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Anyone else think that Fev were hard done by here ?

Their on field performance has been as good as any other club in the Championship and they havent gone through the boom n bust that so many other clubs have.
Plus improvements to their ground etc.

I realise that they will have been marked down, due to their proximity to ourselves and Cas and realise also that they will never pull in huge crowds.
However, surely, they deserved their chance in the top flight, even if it was only for next season ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Anyone else think that Fev were hard done by here ?

Their on field performance has been as good as any other club in the Championship and they havent gone through the boom n bust that so many other clubs have.
Plus improvements to their ground etc.

I realise that they will have been marked down, due to their proximity to ourselves and Cas and realise also that they will never pull in huge crowds.
However, surely, they deserved their chance in the top flight, even if it was only for next season ?'"


I do to be honest, surely the proximity argument is void with the fact Leigh are a similar distance to Saints, Wigan and Warrington as Fev are to Wakefield and Cas.

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Anyway,

I think what actually matters here is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Yes, 2019 went bad after a great start, due mainly to injuries but I accept that certain performances were unacceptable, injuries or not.

2020? As a say, apart from those teams who could actually win something, it was a total dead rubber. I accept that in that 10 game losing run, was as in 2019, there were some unacceptable team performance regardless of injuries.

Yet the previous seasons, 2016. 2017 and 2018 had seen a truly resurgent club, easily IMO the best three-season run we have ever manged in SL, in fact pretty much the only one. In that time the quality of players at the club, especially the younger ones, had improved beyond anyone's expectation, two England reps for a start and plenty of players other teams envied.

So what I don't accept is that after 18 months that is all gone. Truth is, sometimes in life you have to go backwards to go forward. For the reasons outlined we did go backwards though mostly due to plain bad luck, now hopefully we now have a chance to go forward again and why not? Very few of our players are past it, many have hardly begun, so with the odd addition, I see no reason why we can't carry on where we left off before being blighted with injuries and COVID.

As they say, it's not getting it wrong that's the problem, that happens to us all, it's how you react. So let's give the lads the chance to react before dismissing them as has been who are only fit to battle it out for the wooden spoon with Leigh. Surely as a group of fans, we have a bit more dignity and self-belief than that?.

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Let's hope some of their supporters can show a little humility this time around.

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Quote: LyndsayGill "Let's hope some of their supporters can show a little humility this time around.'"


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If you are alluding to Leigh, I will show my utmost respect.

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