But it’s hardly a necessary “activity” is it. And it’s hardly a sport. It’s just a social gathering for Tory psychopaths.

Still, if it gives BJ a break from committing adultery and breaking international law....

Your comment isn't a very well thought out response to the problem we face with influenza is it dreadnought?

My local pub allows me to walk up to the bar, buy a pint, with cash, and sit where I like.
I am now waiting for the death toll to rise considerably in my area because of my totally irresponsible behaviour.

Dreadnought....We have lived on this planet for thousands of years, we survive, we rely on our immune systems to keep us going. We do not need Boris, Billy Gates, Hancock or you to make up daft rules when nature has done the job just fine. We, like animals, know instinctively how to keep ourselves and our families safe. Do some research on “herd immunity” and tell me how masks (those filthy, bacterior invested rags, millions of them floating around now) are going to keep you safe. You do know the WHO advised against them until they were told by politicians to take it down from their website ?
We live, we die, get over it.

Set it out for me this “some sort of normal world” you envisage. I would love to know or are you waiting for darling Boris to issue his next “I'll keep you safe” set of instructions.

If you have read this far please also set out a plan for the return to Belle Vue in your brave new world. Funnily enough that's all I was asking a few threads ago, not a discussion on the plandemic. Strangely though, so far, no one appears to have an answer. I await your response.

PS..I use a card sometimes, just like everyone else. I just don't believe we should have a cashless society and therefore I use cash if I possibly can.

Just joining this conversation half way through so apologies if I have missed any key points. Genuine question Miro, do you pose the same questions to every other country in Europe re there leadership/direction during the COVID-19 Pandemic? I am sure there has not been that much difference throughout.

I tend to agree with you on a lot of points in principle, but I just don`t know what is expected of the government. The same people questioning the guidelines and restrictions put in place are the same people that were questioning them not putting them in place soon enough. People raise concerns about the "control" these restrictions have over them and there family and in the next breath are wanting the government to hold there hand an explain every little detail of "guidelines" that should just be common sense for most people.

From a political standpoint we started off very well in all of this, Kier said all the right things when he come in, yet he just could not resist jumping on a few decisions that were deemed to be controversial at times to get a few points on the board knowing he would have the likes of Wilzay using these little snippets to fulfil his much needed anti-tory agenda.

Thanks for your comments homme vaste. In answer to" every other country in Europe" and I suppose you also mean the world. I answered this a few post ago but here it is again.
I believe, and so do countless others around the world including scientists, doctors etc that this agenda has nothing to do with a virus, real or otherwise. The virus, or to put it bluntly "seasonal flu"
Well it has, but the "pandemic" is a smoke screen for this, as reported in July, but the plans were laid out long before the "pandemic" hit.

“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

Now that explains "lockstep". But note, small, high street businesses are not included in their great "re-set." Hence not giving a stuff about the hundreds of small businesses around the world going bust.

Schwab is the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab.

Well, you should read your old posts. You inferred that all the draconian measures were fine by you because if it saves just one life it'll all have been worth it, small price to pay..
In fact you mentioned having your foreign holiday cancelled and repeated the above mantra.

So, don't drive your car, don't expect sportsmen and women to put their lives on the line for your sport and plastic, well, help pollute the seas if you must.
In other words “small price to pay”

By the way, the odds on you getting seriously injured driving on the roads is....Oh forget it, just keep safe.

What's Belle Vue got to do with it? The clue is in the thread title.

Masks and Anti social distancing?? Read my last post or the one a few pages back.

Where in my very short comment did I mention anything to do with Boris or Masks?



Don't tell me what to do.

No. I said I was OK with the steps you are asked to follow to go to the pub.

It's a really nieve argument to the it's safer than driving a car or plane etc.
We wear seat belts, have to pass a test, invest millions in car safety features to make it possible to drive and be as safe as possible. And people who don't drive safely are fined or in the extreme put in jail.

For this you are being asked to social distance until they can find equivalent measures to make it safer.

What has always baffled me is that you argue so intelligently yet miss (possibly on purpose) some really obvious points. I don't know whether you are just so adamant about your point that you can't see anything else or that you are just winding people up (which I no longer think is the case)
The very fact that after about 75 pages of discussion you haven't accepted one point made by anyone else makes me think you are lecturing rather than discussing. Would you agree?

And on the plan for Belle Vue..... Why ask us.
The RFL have their plan.

Belle Vue will be assessed in its merits for health and safety same as always.

Can make up my own mind thank you very much.

What is expected of this Government? Well, surely competent leadership should be a start. And I think they failed spectacularly in that.

I have no problems with lockdown restrictions or social distancing restrictions. It’s the “one rule for them, another for us” approach from Boris which is peeing me off.

Latest ONS (Office for National Statistics) out today for the week ending Sept.4th(latest statistics available) show that 13 times more people are dying from flu pneumonia. Just 78 people that week ending in the whole of the UK had covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate.
The chances of you contracting and dying from corona virus is tiny, especially if you are fit and healthy. You probably are more at risk of getting run over by a bus.
The Ovid 19 virus is going to be around for a very long time and I doubt that a vaccine to help 100 per cent will be found. The corona virus will eventually weaken ( if it already hasn't done so) like most viruses that attack the human body.
I was going to add more comments but I'm enjoying the evening Sun down here in Surrey, and my granddaughters have just shouted me in for dinner, steak and chips with all the trimmings, yes that's what life's all about, there are risks everywhere in life, enjoy it while you can.

The chances of contracting COVID-19 are not "Tiny" it is actually very likely that you will at some point contract it, the risk of dying as a result of COVID-19 is completely down to the individuals pre-existing health circumstances so you cannot define that as tiny either.

Lets not forget the guidelines and restrictions have been in place over the last 6 months to eliminate the risk of overwhelming the capacity of the National Health Service beyond that of its capacity and in that we have to factor in the capacity that trusts nationwide were at pre this pandemic in terms of Hospital beds, surgery time etc.

I wonder if the fact that the number of people dying of Covid is reducing significantly is anything to do with social distancing?

Tha bloody whet?!?! I pay fo’ mi pint wi cash onli!!!!!

As I said, the common flu virus has been killing more people than Covid 19 and has been since June this year(also verified figures) Anybody with serious health issues are more likely to die also if they contract flu/ pneumonia.
I did point out for healthy people the chances are tiny, the figures by age group are out there and they show the elderly with other health issues are the most likely to die from Covid 19, this also applies to the elderly contracting the flu or pneumonia and currently roughly 13 times more people are dying from flu pneumonia than covid .