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Quote: Prince Buster "OK just for you, I will put it in a way that you may understand and be able to make a valid comparison.

Box has the same regard for Wakefield Trinity as you had for Margaret Thatcher and the tories.

So basically he will do the same to help the club as you would do to help that lot.

I hope this helps you to have a perspective of the situation.'"
well if that's the case were well and truly up the creek

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Yes but are we "all" still committed to it?

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To put it bluntly, this isn’t going to happen. It must be true the resident serial posters said so. Mr Carter.. why are you wasting your time Persuing this pipe-dream ? You are just as thick and wrong as the previous head honchos of Wakefield Trinity.

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Quote: MashPotatoes "To put it bluntly, this isn’t going to happen. It must be true the resident serial posters said so. Mr Carter.. why are you wasting your time Persuing this pipe-dream ? You are just as thick and wrong as the previous head honchos of Wakefield Trinity.'"


Have it your way. Sincerely hope you're right.

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Well there's one thing about all this, I think if there isn't something more constructive and positive revealed by the deadline then I don't think it will happen.
I appreciate fine details are probably being discussed but those involved will have had enough time by then to know whether this thing will happen or not and I really expect something being announced with a more definite statement than we have heard before, from ALL parties, otherwise forget it.

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Having worked in a structural consultancy/architectural environment for 50% of my working life, the cynic in me has me puzzled as to how, after all Box's denials of involvement, the departure of RMW, the "public council meeting" etc etc, the plans and architectural impressions of the new ground appeared so quickly on announcement of the latest proposals.
I can imagine Box instructing someone in the Planning Dept in Wakefield One to find an aerial shot of a football ground in Spain, Argentina or somewhere; Photoshopping the Trinity badge onto it and superimposing it onto a an aerial photograph of Agbrigg. He could then sit back and think: "That'll keep them quite for another couple of months!!"
Seriously though, those layouts and details of the proposed development did appear rather swiftly don't you think? Mmmmm!!!!!

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I know this forum has turned into a negative forum but what have people heard to say it's not going to happen? If all the parties didn't want it to happen why go through all the trouble and press releases surely it would have been easier to do nothing. All I've heard is nothing has changed since last months announcement, what's the people on here hearing? Makes next months meeting important.

Up the Trin

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Quote: Redscat "Having worked in a structural consultancy/architectural environment for 50% of my working life, the cynic in me has me puzzled as to how, after all Box's denials of involvement, the departure of RMW, the "public council meeting" etc etc, the plans and architectural impressions of the new ground appeared so quickly on announcement of the latest proposals.
I can imagine Box instructing someone in the Planning Dept in Wakefield One to find an aerial shot of a football ground in Spain, Argentina or somewhere; Photoshopping the Trinity badge onto it and superimposing it onto a an aerial photograph of Agbrigg. He could then sit back and think

Maybe 88M have been working on them since the original date ? It’s quite a while ago since they bought Belle Vue and told everyone what they were going to do with it. Maybe, just maybe they aren’t as crooked as Yorkcourt properties ? Just a thought.

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Quote: Redscat "Having worked in a structural consultancy/architectural environment for 50% of my working life, the cynic in me has me puzzled as to how, after all Box's denials of involvement, the departure of RMW, the "public council meeting" etc etc, the plans and architectural impressions of the new ground appeared so quickly on announcement of the latest proposals.
I can imagine Box instructing someone in the Planning Dept in Wakefield One to find an aerial shot of a football ground in Spain, Argentina or somewhere; Photoshopping the Trinity badge onto it and superimposing it onto a an aerial photograph of Agbrigg. He could then sit back and think
My thoughts entirely.

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When the ground was bought it was announced they would be making plans for a redeveloped stadium. It appears to me they did those and just rolled them out at this announcement. No conspiracy here I’m afraid.

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Personally I think he comes across as a very honourable and successful businessman, much more than that of Yorcourt.

Wasnt there even the talk of him working with the club to revamp Belle Vue way back when he bought the ground back in 2016. Maybe these plans were drawn up back as far as then, maybe as a contingency if NM fell through.

He has been regularly tweeting and re tweeted about the club and stadium during this time. Have Yorcourt ever tweeted anything to do with the club in the past.

I am of the belief of we havent passed the deadline, and of the saying no news is good news.

Parking has been mentioned as an issue. It is, but maybe no more so than it is now. Manni has also worked with car parks in the past and am sure he is fully aware of this and am sure there will be steps in place to resolve these issues.

Dont some hotels actually have car parks underground these days?

Keep the faith and keep believing

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Quote: Mable_Syrup "When the ground was bought it was announced they would be making plans for a redeveloped stadium. It appears to me they did those and just rolled them out at this announcement. No conspiracy here I’m afraid.'"


Have you a quote from 88m?

I have a feeling, may be wrong, that that was a story started on here that somehow became fact.

Simple point - if BV is the best option why didn't the Council/Yorkcourt/the Club (who were advised by the Council not to) buy the ground and the Superbowl for less than a million pounds in total a year ago?

Mr 88m stands to make ten times that by simply re-offering the same deal that was available a year ago!

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but this one has gone way beyond theory - it just plain odd - none of it makes any sense at all.

Even if it happens it still makes no economic sense because somebody most notably YC and 88m are almost certainly going to make a killing at the ratepayers expense. Fact, this could have happened a year ago for far less money and without the need to bring in yet another developer. Also why do people think 88m are in any way more trustworthy than Yorkcourt?

As I say I hope it happens and I'm made to look a wally on this one - I'd happily live with it.

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Quote: Redscat "Having worked in a structural consultancy/architectural environment for 50% of my working life, the cynic in me has me puzzled as to how, after all Box's denials of involvement, the departure of RMW, the "public council meeting" etc etc, the plans and architectural impressions of the new ground appeared so quickly on announcement of the latest proposals.
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There were plans for a redevolped Belle Vue drawn up about 18 months ago that sounded suspiciously like what we got released all of a sudden a month or so back, those had the hospitality moving to the east stand, a new stand to replace the flats and a revamp of the terracting in the north & west stands with new roofing, toilets, bars etc added. I’d guess these were dragged out of a drawer somewhere, a few minor edits added and then some idealisation regarding retail and residential put in to make it look the works. I doubt the details were gone through with a fine tooth comb though which is what is happening now at a guess. It was said to me that these things normally take much longer but due to ‘some things already being available’ then it cut the time down required, although it was still said that 6 weeks is short and at least two months was the working brief to make sure it was right first time. I have heard nothing else since but this would still fit with that timescale. I’m not worried yet, ask me in a months time though and it might just be a different answer.

What worries me more right now is financing it. Most if the money will be borrowed, along with some from government grants. Now interest rates are due to rise next month making it more expensive straight away and as was mentioned earlier by someone there is also a budget next month. Local authorities will likely cop the cuts again and there is talk that government handouts will become harder to come by, so the grant funding could be affected. With business rates rising as well getting firms to sign up to the site won’t be easy, let alone the fact that rising inflation is likely to slow the economy. Throw in the fact that it was revealed this week that housing prices have been falling month on month now meaning building new ones isn’t as profitable for a developer then its potentially the perfect storm.

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I certainly remember them saying they would have plans for a revamped ground ready in 3 months, and that 3 months came and went. Comment was made on here about it. I’m suggesting they did the plans, other things occurred to blacken the waters but as this is seen as the way forward, out the plans come.

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