FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > Dewsbury Move Feasibility.
142 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2413No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: vastman "Give over there is a world of difference that is a very poor analogy.'"


There are fans out there who feel very strongly about the club moving to Dewsbury. They're obviously a lot less important than yourself, but trust me, they're out there. And the club could lose them instantly.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain543
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20169 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2020Sep 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Having read Vasty's post I would like to add my first choice would be Belle Vue, second Newmarket, and with Dewsbury seemingly the only other option, that third.
But in reality , Dewsbury moves to no. 1 , as I cannot see the other two coming to fruition.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2413No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: thebeagle "The facilities may be OK for you tillidie, but if they are not OK for Health and Safety regulators, the RL and Super league, what do you suggest ?I know some people who would not go to Newmarket, as they see Belle Vue as our spiritual home.
Wigan, Saints, Salford , Leigh , Hull, Warrington et all have all relocated.Some even sharing with football.
Come on! Dewsbury's stadium is hardly out of Wakefield .
As a poster has stated a damn site nearer for many., myself included.
My son is a loser if we move there as he lives in Normanton, but he says he is up for it.
Don't be so 'bloody minded' you doubters!'"


Dewsbury is just as easy for me to get to as Belle Vue. Newmarket I could walk to, but I still think it's the wrong location so I'm not saying it for personal gain. I just think the club has to stay in Wakefield to keep its identity. A temporary move would work if if it was just that, temporary, but long term the club would have a fight on its hands to retain much of the older support.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain543
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20169 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2020Sep 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Well, I'm older .I'm on my way to 66.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach36117
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "There are fans out there who feel very strongly about the club moving to Dewsbury. They're obviously a lot less important than yourself, but trust me, they're out there. And the club could lose them instantly.'"


No sorry but you can't use that 'vastman is a bully" tone on this one I'm not taking that as it's unreasonable.

The question is simple can you prove it? no you can't anymore than I can.

There is no room for personal dogma on this one it's got to be facts. If you don't want to move then fine that's your perogative - I don't blame you. But the clubs not about me or you or your mates it's about the culture of the city and it's future and future generations so why no keep it factual.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2413No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: vastman "No sorry but you can't use that 'vastman is a bully" tone on this one I'm not taking that as it's unreasonable.

The question is simple can you prove it? no you can't anymore than I can.

There is no room for personal dogma on this one it's got to be facts. If you don't want to move then fine that's your perogative - I don't blame you. But the clubs not about me or you or your mates it's about the culture of the city and it's future and future generations so why no keep it factual.'"


It's more the point that anyone who is against the move is shot down, that's the tone I don't like. Fans have genuine concerns and if we ignore anyone when we have a core base of just 2,000 fans it is going to damage the club.

I know of people who would follow the club anywhere. People who would give it a go and see what happens (I'm in that bracket if it was temporary). And people who would pack in all together. Without asking them to write it down and sign it, sadly I won't be able to give you that evidence. But surely common sense would tell you that would be the case? My opinion seems to be a minority on here, but I feel that Wakefield Trinity represent the City of Wakefield and moving to any other town would de-value that.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2226
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: vastman "Hi Slugger,

Points 5 and 6 are the model by which a number of NFL clubs operate - their club base and supporter base are normally in their heartland but the Stadium may be in a close but different district. I think, South, Roosters, Bulldogs and a few other work a similar model but not absolutely sure on the detail

HTH'"


You're certainly right with regard to the Rabbitohs. Their 'home' is in Redfern in the southern part of the city, an old 'blue collar' area where the club offices and club shop are located, opposite their old ground, Redfern Oval. Redfern Oval is still used as a training base for the team. However their home games are played at the ANZ stadium (Olympic Stadium) which is 18kms away to the west of the city where they attract healthy crowds. Like other NRL sides they occasionally take games 'on the road' having played in Cairns and Perth in recent times. They also have to date 25000 members.

Whilst the Rabbitohs profile and that of the Rugby League in Australia is miles higher than ours, I agree with you that it could work in this fashion, but requires people to open their minds, and would need a lot of marketing.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach36117
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "It's more the point that anyone who is against the move is shot down, that's the tone I don't like. Fans have genuine concerns and if we ignore anyone when we have a core base of just 2,000 fans it is going to damage the club.

I know of people who would follow the club anywhere. People who would give it a go and see what happens (I'm in that bracket if it was temporary). And people who would pack in all together. Without asking them to write it down and sign it, sadly I won't be able to give you that evidence. But surely common sense would tell you that would be the case? My opinion seems to be a minority on here, but I feel that Wakefield Trinity represent the City of Wakefield and moving to any other town would de-value that.'"


The only place that tone seems to be coming from is you - it's you who's being defensive.

I have not seen anyone get shot down, far from it for such an emotive issue.

The level of debate has been very high IMHO. I don't know whether yours is a minority opinion on here it's just that you are vocalising it more than perhaps some other, maybe.

It's a tough one it really is and tbh I'd be with you but for three things.

People have died for 200 meters of earth but in terms of a RL ground I don't think it's worth getting hung up on I really don't.

Even more so when it's as close to most Wakefield fans as BV is and probably closer than NM which itself is just within WMDC by about 200 meters Ithink, It's so close it even has a Wakefield postcode and phone number, I mean we really are being a bit picky here.

Had it been in Dewsbury proper I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole but I'm willing to compromise on 200 meters icon_thumb.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star17982
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "It's more the point that anyone who is against the move is shot down, that's the tone I don't like. Fans have genuine concerns and if we ignore anyone when we have a core base of just 2,000 fans it is going to damage the club.

I know of people who would follow the club anywhere. People who would give it a go and see what happens (I'm in that bracket if it was temporary). And people who would pack in all together. Without asking them to write it down and sign it, sadly I won't be able to give you that evidence. But surely common sense would tell you that would be the case? My opinion seems to be a minority on here, but I feel that Wakefield Trinity represent the City of Wakefield and moving to any other town would de-value that.'"


I understand fully what you are saying and obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Any move from an established base will have pro's and con's and although inevitably, some fans will be lost if we move to Dewsbury (or any other new ground) however, I'm sure that the club will do what it can to try and minimise this and hopefully, some new fans may come on board. Plus, with better facilities, there may be an increase in the numbers of away fans, which may actually lead to a net increase.
Of course, the single biggest driver, affecting attendances, is on field success and IF Trinity start winning plenty of games, it almost doesn't matter where they play as people would want to follow a successful team.
Midn you, the opposite is also true and a move away plus poor results would be the worst scenario possible.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2413No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: vastman "The only place that tone seems to be coming from is you - it's you who's being defensive.

I have not seen anyone get shot down, far from it for such an emotive issue.

The level of debate has been very high IMHO. I don't know whether yours is a minority opinion on here it's just that you are vocalising it more than perhaps some other, maybe.

It's a tough one it really is and tbh I'd be with you but for three things.

People have died for 200 meters of earth but in terms of a RL ground I don't think it's worth getting hung up on I really don't.

Even more so when it's as close to most Wakefield fans as BV is and probably closer than NM which itself is just within WMDC by about 200 meters Ithink, It's so close it even has a Wakefield postcode and phone number, I mean we really are being a bit picky here.

Had it been in Dewsbury proper I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole but I'm willing to compromise on 200 meters
And I'm only being so vocal today because it's my day off and it stops me having to tidy the house!

In common sense terms I agree with you, it's 200 metres, but in sport common sense goes out of the window and emotion rules the head.

I've seen your ideas on the other thread, I'd actually thought of something similar last year regarding temporary seating but in a lot less detail. But as much as we build the Teltley's Stadium up, it's well short of being a Super League standard ground. Were we to move there we would, quite rightly, have to pay towards the investment to bring it up to scratch. Would it not be better to use that investment on Belle Vue? Even just bring the concrete terracing up to scratch for starters?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4592
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "If Castleford get their new stadium, if won't require any upgrades, it'll be modern and in the Wakefield District? Would you be happy if we moved there?'"

No

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1345No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2021Dec 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: LyndsayGill "You're certainly right with regard to the Rabbitohs. Their 'home' is in Redfern in the southern part of the city, an old 'blue collar' area where the club offices and club shop are located, opposite their old ground, Redfern Oval. Redfern Oval is still used as a training base for the team. However their home games are played at the ANZ stadium (Olympic Stadium) which is 18kms away to the west of the city where they attract healthy crowds. Like other NRL sides they occasionally take games 'on the road' having played in Cairns and Perth in recent times. They also have to date 25000 members.

Whilst the Rabbitohs profile and that of the Rugby League in Australia is miles higher than ours, I agree with you that it could work in this fashion, but requires people to open their minds, and would need a lot of marketing.'"

You make a good point there about how the Rabitohs have a strong presence in Redfern and Trinity must do the same in Wakefield City far more than they do at present, should a move to Dewsbury comes about. More than just a shop is required in fact it would be great if a pub could be taken over and decked out in red white and blue selling trinity beer of course. The players who move into the district should definatley be based in the city, not Dewsbury / Shaw Cross even if that means an inconvenience for training etc. The club could even be more synonymous with Wakefield than it is at present and a trip to Owl Lane once a fortnight would be seen as little more than a slight detour for the supporters.
Another suggestion, outrageous I know, is to have the powers that be move the border between Ossett and Dewsbury. How about as far as the centre spot on the pitch. Solved, half Wakefield, half Dewsbury. Ok, I'll get me coat.

RankPostsTeam
International Star843No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Just had a thought, I have read what MC has said in the article, but we are still asking people to apply to have naming rites to Belle Vue. It doesn't add up if we are moving to Dewsbury. Like I said just a thought.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3192No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2022Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: poplar cats alive "Just had a thought, I have read what MC has said in the article, but we are still asking people to apply to have naming rites to Belle Vue. It doesn't add up if we are moving to Dewsbury. Like I said just a thought.'"


We would not be moving until 2018 season and the move would only have to be temporary. If permanent we would have to become a Championship Club.

RankPostsTeam
International Star843No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201014 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Are so we are staying at Belle Vue for 2017 ? If so thanks for clarifying it.

142 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
142 posts in 10 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.28662109375:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Realistic targets for 2025
Jake the Peg
141
2m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
6
35m
Film game
karetaker
5859
41m
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
546
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
ComeOnYouUll
211
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
MeanwoodGuy
2630
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
52s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
1m
Ground Improvements
Another Cas
232
1m
Film game
karetaker
5859
1m
2025 Shirt
--[ WW ]--
27
2m
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63297
8m
2025 Recruitment
bowlinboy
228
10m
Season pass roll call
Armavinit
38
11m
2025 Kit
dddooommm
16
12m
Super League
FIL
25
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
48
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M +11,821 80,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R1
18:00
Toulouse
v
Widnes
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
       Championship 2025-R1
15:00
Bradford
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Doncaster
15:00
Oldham
v
York
15:00
Sheffield
v
Halifax
15:00
Barrow
v
Hunslet
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       League One 2025-R1
15:00
Cornwall
v
Workington
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Realistic targets for 2025
Jake the Peg
141
2m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
6
35m
Film game
karetaker
5859
41m
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
546
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
ComeOnYouUll
211
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
MeanwoodGuy
2630
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
52s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
1m
Ground Improvements
Another Cas
232
1m
Film game
karetaker
5859
1m
2025 Shirt
--[ WW ]--
27
2m
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63297
8m
2025 Recruitment
bowlinboy
228
10m
Season pass roll call
Armavinit
38
11m
2025 Kit
dddooommm
16
12m
Super League
FIL
25
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
vastman
48
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!