I agree entirely that kears regime failed that team but the point I'm making is that some of these lads have been around under our present coach and his use of cowling, walshaw and wildie for example gives me the opinion that the easy option of second rate Aussies and other teams cast offs would still be to the fore

I didn't say that at all.
You've convinced me about your under 18s team. They were good and not developed.
I just don't know who is to blame and don't blindly believe as it's gone now.

The subject we are talking about is Wildie. Maybe Agar is simply rotating options or resting Wildie.
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy or that Agar hates playing local players.

Some people are looking for a problem when there isn't one. So I just used Bateman as an example.
As an alternate does McDermott get grief for sending Sutcliffe to Bradford.
In my opinion he will be better than McGuire but right now he prefers McGuire.
That's just the way sporting teams go.

The current crop of youth players are the ones to judge the new regime by; if in seasons to come we see them graduate into regular 1st team players like youngsters at Wigan and Leeds are doing this year, then we'll know that the production line has finally started to work.

For now, thanks to the youth side of the club being ignored by John Kear for many years, Agar has very little to work with; he's doing his best to turn the likes of Trout, Walshaw and Wildie into SL players, but it's an uphill struggle - in a season that could end with relegation, none of them are good enough to get a regular start. And if he persevered and started them anyway, he'd be lynched on here for playing fast and loose with our SL future.

By all means support the development of home grown players, but be realistic about the timescales involved; dummy spitting because Agar is not growing SL players in holes in the ground like Saruman with his Uruk-Hai, is a bit childish.

Nobody at least not me is dummy spitting matey I'm talking in facts what I see with my eyes and they tell me that mat Ryan is no better than what we had,I'm not at the moment getting carried away with godinet hero worshipped by some on here for his performances against 2teams at the moment much worse than us id sooner judge him till proved differently maybe tomorrow will be that day on his display against Bradford when some of his passing was very poor,Anderson I like a straight up and down no nonsense prop and sammutt of course is a off the cuff match winner that's my view not dummy spitting just different to yours

here we go….

Exactly mate, we did have. We don't have them anymore move on.

I don't agree; he's an unspectacular player I'll give you that, but he is seasoned, tough and experienced - the opposite of the players you're advocating should be used in his place.

I think you need to get over this obsession with a group of young players who for various reasons, have not matured into the SL superstars you might have hoped they would; that ship has sailed and whilst Agar is doing his best with the ones that still have some promise, they aren't regular first teamers yet - unless you're working on a time machine in your shed, there's nothing that can be done about that now. What we can do though, is keep paying in to 1873 and trust that the new youth set-up is as promising as those in the know tell us it is. If it is, we'll see some pay-off in the coming 2-3 seasons.

So you are not judging Godinet over a handful of games (perhaps because he is doing relatively well), but you have made your mind up over Ryan over that same period?
I feel that you need to have a much more open mind when it comes to assessing players, wherever they are from.

Im with try scorer on Matt Ryan he doesnt look to offer anything that we couldnt have picked up from the championship, i know its early but there has been no sign of anything yet.
Apart from that i think the board, players and coaching staff have done a brilliant job so far and i for one am going to leave it up to them, yes we have played two poor teams but we are one of those lesser fancied teams, staying up is the priority even if we beat saints we are still probably the 3rd worst team in the league so stop getting carried away.
Leave the decisions about the club to those that have the power to do so, i know some of you like to have your saybut apart from passing five or ten mins of your time i dont see the point in constantly having a go at the club.

You seriously believe that.

I don't know how many people are aware of this but it's actually quite hard to tempt Championship players into SL, people make it sound so easy.

So assuming there are any players in the Championship as good as Ryan (and in my opinion there aren't) the problems are….

Players in the lower divisions often have full time jobs/careers that pay well. They are also usually in there mid 20's and probably no longer wish to take risks with a short term contract and a lesser wage.

If they are as good as you seem to think they are probably on a very good screw at their clubs - combine this with their wages outside the game and some (not all) can be on well over 30k even 40k + - so where is the incentive.

No sane SL club will offer an untried Championship player more than a 1 maybe 2 year contract at most and a wage to match the risk. OK for young players maybe but not the seasoned semi pro's you probably mean.

Hence not many players from the championship are available.

On the flip side the NRL has legions of well proven players like Ryan who are relatively cheap and far less of a risk.

If you look at it the failure rate of overseas players we have signed has been relatively low. The last one was that big fat prop (?) JK signed and before that Peterson IMHO so the risks are fairly low. Maybe it's not morally right but it's reality.

So for me a championship player is not an option unless he is exceptional in which case he'd probably be Salford bound.

The problem is Wildie has played the last 2 games and we have had big wins now add the fact we have Seijka come over.Wildie misses out on the 19 and Seijka gets in the 19 now it looks like Wildie is out of favour even if he was suffering a knock or had been ill.Now if Agar brings Seijka on after 10-15 mins and he plays half back with Sammut and it kills us in the halfs then Agar will get some stick.If it goes the other way and everthing clicks and we have a brilliant game Agar will be the best thing since sliced bread.

Who would be a coach ?

I bet the team are glad that fullofhope is not their motivational coach.
I would remind him that Ryan was a regular in the NRL. We are therefore not only looking for a player from the championship who is good enough to play in both the SL and NRL. I wait your suggestions with interest.
I also expect that our new signing could become the next Isac Johns with some of our supporters who believe he is stopping a local player getting into the team. The first time he does something wrong the amount of criticism he will face could be of rabid proportions. I would remind those that continued to criticise johns look where he is now so maybe we should give Harry a chance before you go over the top in your criticism.

Not me.

Come on Wakey this could be a massive 2 points and a real boost for the lads and fans