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Quote: Theboyem "Sorry, what I meant was just because a player has, say, 2 years left on his contract and earns 80K a year then he isn't going to go for a tranfer fee of 160K. Salary levels come into the negotiations obviously as it affects what a buying club can afford to pay for a player and whether the selling club needs them off the wage bill. As you say its a combination of things, other Vince Mellars would be worth the best part of 100 grand!'"


That's where the supply and demand part comes in.

If say Smith had a contract with us worth £100k, and you really wanted him, we could justify saying that to buy him out of the contract would take us being paid that value..... but it's only an indication of his worth. To break the contract though Smith would still want his money. As Salford wanted him they are able to convince him by improving his terms so no big deal to Smith.

However Mellors isn't wanted so badly so we want rid more than they want to buy so everyone knows we will probably let him go for free.....but in that case Mellors has a right to say he doesn't want to break the contract unless he gets the same money. If not from new team then from us......so not worth the sale.

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Quote: Mable_Syrup "No. They paid large amounts for those players. Not derisory sums whilst in administration.'"


So which players have hull signed from a club in admin?

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Quote: number 6 "So which players have hull signed from a club in admin?'"


I suppose you could say they got a full set for nothing from Gateshead.

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Dont know for definite but wasnt Sam Obst to Hull around the time of our period in admin??

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Quote: Fritzys Mullet "Dont know for definite but wasnt Sam Obst to Hull around the time of our period in admin??'"


Sure was.

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Quote: upthecats "Looking back now it must have been ridiculously hard to make those decisions which have ultimately put us in deep waters.....

Chasing the dream of top 8 success and building on that while at the same time aiming to please the RFL....

Put yourself in the position of those who had to make those decisions.....we'd just finished the season on a real rollercoaster.....seven consecutive wins, put in a great effort at Headingley against the reigning champions just missing out on progressing.....

There will have been teams sniffing last year for the likes of Kirmond....Amor, maybe Smith and a few others........there will have been players who will have played their way to improved terms......Now imagine the fans reaction, on the back of that end to the season if someone had foreseen the problems we are at now and decided to sell a couple of our star players.....how would fans had reacted then......they maybe thought they had to bury their heads in the sand a bit and hope and pray we could build on what we had done the previous season...

We bowed down to pressure in costly ground improvements, that with the benefit of hindsight have done us absolutely no good whatsoever.....

To try and keep building attendances (maybe another thing to impress the powers that be) we went with the cheap tickets again......another thing that could have paid a huge part in crippling us......It's ok people saying.....how come we are struggling when our attendances have gone up so much and we are averaging around 8k......well.....8k sounds good, but if you break it down and think of the cheap adult tickets that works out at probably less than a tenner a game, and then the amount of concessions.....oap's.....junior tickets......how many of that 8k crowds were juniors?.....at £25 a season ticket that works out at under £2 a game from what i'd say was a decent number of that 8k.....

Then, at the start of the season our main sponsor going belly up! In tough financial times with companies struggling up and down the land you would have put your house on the scrap game being as safe a bet as any to be doing well.....

These things shouldn't have happened, but times are tough out there.....I work on an industrial estate and in the last 12 months 3 of the units around us have closed down, probably to the tune of about 3-400 jobs.....

Trying to deliver a top 8 side with our resources has nearly killed us.....chasing the dream.....I can see why it happened when you take everything into account....

It also worries me that with the knowledge before the Cas game of what situation we were in that the crowd was only 6,400.......I know people have questioned that figure but there was a lot of empty spaces in the North Stand......Cas brought as good a following as any team has to Wakey this year.....the place should have been packed to the rafters.....the fact it wasn't in our hour of need is surely a very, very worrying thing.....Do the people of Wakefield really want a Super League team, because if they do things need to start happening now....'"


Completely agree and have said exactly the same. Running a RL club just isn't the same as running any other business, not when fans and expectation are added to the mix.

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Quote: Dettoriman "Fwiw. Rangi Chase's contract was worth £400k+. And we got £112'500 for him.

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under what valuation principle was the contract worth 400k?

at the end of the day the value is what the highest bidder is willing to pay to release a player for that contract and I can't imagine any superleague player's contract is worth 400k in the current climate.

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Quote: pocket 4's "under what valuation principle was the contract worth 400k?

at the end of the day the value is what the highest bidder is willing to pay to release a player for that contract and I can't imagine any superleague player's contract is worth 400k in the current climate.'"


I presume he meant that Chase had another two years on his contract at Cas, getting around £200k per year, however as you say that is irrelevant.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I presume he meant that Chase had another two years on his contract at Cas, getting around £200k per year, however as you say that is irrelevant.'"

180k + 1K a game. So the value of his 2 years was 400k. I used it as an example of why contracts mean jack all when it comes to fees.

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Quote: Fritzys Mullet "Dont know for definite but wasnt Sam Obst to Hull around the time of our period in admin??'"



wow 1 player, shame on us for being predators! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Fordy "The thing to factor in with both Smith and Amor is that we have saved 3 months wages on them also.
In Tim's case I would guess that equates to a saving of somewhere between £20k and £25k. In Amor's case I would guess somewhere around the £10k mark.

I know that is not exactly funds raised but it is a big chunk of savings.'"


Not Amor - he's still ours until 31st Oct.

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Quote: Dettoriman "180k + 1K a game. So the value of his 2 years was 400k. I used it as an example of why contracts mean jack all when it comes to fees.'"


but that value is surely to him and not the club icon_biggrin.gifOH:

like what's been mention a player is only worth what other clubs are willing to pay hence the reason your way from the mark you THINK he's worth.

put this to you then, why didn' Salford double the fee for him then if his contract was worth that much to Cas, because they could get someone else for less
supply and demand.

you should of done better with your maths at school

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Can someone confirm :- we have sold amor for £50,000 maybe Ben C FOR £30,000 but also have we not sold 1000 season tickets possibly £100,000 so is that £150/180,000 off the £400,000 figure?.

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Cant imagine the sold season tickets are included in the 400k at all

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Quote: BRIGGY "Can someone confirm

We haven't sold 1,000 ST's since that figure was announced, but there have some in-roads into it.

Sorry to sound repetitive - but Monday is the opportunity to find out these things.

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