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Quote: charlie "Ignore the E

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Taulima is a lovely guy and deserves success... I hope he finds his place at Trinity and that he is massively successful.


and whatever.. there will be no 'sack cloth and ashes' or 'I told you so'

go go Tautai Trinity!!! icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif

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He will feel at home with the other Cronulla rejects we have at Belle Vue.

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Quote: Old Blighty "Ok you are right... I should ignor that I sat in the stand and watched him have increasingly poor and ineffective games for Cronulla... I should ignor his brain extols ions like kicking through on the first tackle from an attacking scrum.. And giving the game away... I will ignor the times his missed simple tackles or miss read in defence leaving a massive hole in the line.. I promise to ignor the relief felt when was announced as returning to parramatta... I can ignor the 30 or so times.i have seen him ply 'in the flesh' for my team... First and reserve grade.



I will wipe the slate an wish him well for his career with my first love... Trinity. I genuinely hope he is a success.

It is not a gamble I would have taken. But it's not my money!'"


Ok then you are right, because every player who ever doesn't please the touchline internationals of one team is bound to be the worst signing ever for another team. I mean it always works that way doesn't it. Your opening statement was really silly but if you want to continue to justify what is just your opinion then so be it. Just because you watch a team doesn't make you an expert, spend a season near clown corner at BV and you will realise that.

You see Agar clearly knows less than you and won't have studied this lad in any way and will have no idea about his failings.

So sarcasm aside lets be realistic. There must be something in this player Agar feels we need. Agar has a good record of mid season freshen ups and although all signings are gambles it's hardly a big one. Also SL is different to the NRL, it allows certain players time to do things they can't quite manage in the more organised NRL.

Just give him a chance, he's not the first player to arrive at BV wanting a second chance.

One last point, if he is so crap why has he got 50+ first team games under his belt in the superdooper NRL - either he isn't that bad or the NRL isn't that good? icon_confused.gif

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He is nowhere near as good as Walshaw. Walshaw should get a chance before Molloy or TT.

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Quote: bellycouldtackle "He is nowhere near as good as Walshaw. Walshaw should get a chance before Molloy or TT.'"


Sorry Belly but from what I've seen Molloy looks a lot more ready for SL than Walshaw. TT I don't know but they don't look anything like the same kind of player to me.

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Quote: bellycouldtackle "He is nowhere near as good as Walshaw. Walshaw should get a chance before Molloy or TT.'"


How can you know he is nowhere near as good as Walshaw? - that's a ridiculous statement. How many times have you seen him play?

50 games in the NRL compared to about a dozen in SL - Somebody must have seen something in him, I'm prepared to give him a chance in a Trin shirt and judge him after that.

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Hope he goes well. Sadly, we are building a side with too many overseas players in it. HKR were an example recently. I hope we lose Mellars, who is exempt. It has to be a gutting feeling being pushed back down the pecking order if you are young and British. Lets hope it's forward planning for 2014s multi league shindig.

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Quote: Fordy "How can you know he is nowhere near as good as Walshaw? - that's a ridiculous statement. How many times have you seen him play?

50 games in the NRL compared to about a dozen in SL - Somebody must have seen something in him, I'm prepared to give him a chance in a Trin shirt and judge him after that.'"


I think Belly is showing loyalty to homegrown players who are often overlooked which is fair enough. But over egging young homegrown players is no more helpful than doing it with overseas players.

I think all players deserve a chance and frankly the homegrown bit doesn't always cut it for me. The Molloy bit was a bit odd have to say as for me he's offered far more than Wallshaw did in the Hemel game - unfair as it is to judge on one game.

If Walshaw is good enough he will make it just like Anakin has.

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Quote: Manuel "Hope he goes well. Sadly, we are building a side with too many overseas players in it. HKR were an example recently. I hope we lose Mellars, who is exempt. It has to be a gutting feeling being pushed back down the pecking order if you are young and British. Lets hope it's forward planning for 2014s multi league shindig.'"


No were not, we a building a team the origin of whom should be irrelevant - it's the ability that counts.

The truth is you either accept Agar won't play certain youngsters because the are not good enough. If you don't then clearly you feel he is unfit to coach because he's picking by favourites which is wrong. So which is it?

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I have always rated what is a good signing as opposed to a bad signing when you look at the overall package. This is the players ability, what he delivers to the squad and his cost. So far I think agar has been pretty shrewd, don't know about TT but I know molloy is here on very good terms.

If you need some bad signings to make a comparison to just remember some of the dross the last coach recruited.
(Tommy Lee,Paul Cooke,Jeremy Smith et al)

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I'm not sure how this signing has any impact on Walshaw's chances of being selected; they play in completely different positions don't they?

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Quote: bren2k "I'm not sure how this signing has any impact on Walshaw's chances of being selected; they play in completely different positions don't they?'"


For some reason we are talking two players now. So no TT has no impact on Wallshaw. Molloy on the other hand is a yes and rightly so, there should always be competition for any position.

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Quote: vastman "For some reason we are talking two players now. So no TT has no impact on Wallshaw. Molloy on the other hand is a yes and rightly so, there should always be competition for any position.'"


You could argue that Molloy may also be a swap for Mariano , so that would not be a threat to walsahws future.

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Quote: vastman "No were not, we a building a team the origin of whom should be irrelevant - it's the ability that counts.
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At the risk of going off topic, I don't agree with this viewpoint. I think we should be looking to do our part for the good of the game and signing imports (unless 'top draw', or potentially 'top draw') should be an absolute last resort for us.

I have no idea how good this lad will turn out to be or not, but that for me is a different issue. There should be no place in the game over here for mid level imports such as Mellers and the like, I dread to think about how much resources we have pilled into foreign imports over the last few years - the time and cash to scout them out, fly them over, provide digs etc wasted on mid season signings such as Winterstein, Leano and Hickey for starters mid season must be a massive drain on our club with limited resources.

Surely this cash could be better spent elsewhere?

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Quote: Tommy Duckfingers "At the risk of going off topic, I don't agree with this viewpoint. I think we should be looking to do our part for the good of the game and signing imports (unless 'top draw', or potentially 'top draw') should be an absolute last resort for us.

I have no idea how good this lad will turn out to be or not, but that for me is a different issue. There should be no place in the game over here for mid level imports such as Mellers and the like, I dread to think about how much resources we have pilled into foreign imports over the last few years - the time and cash to scout them out, fly them over, provide digs etc wasted on mid season signings such as Winterstein, Leano and Hickey for starters mid season must be a massive drain on our club with limited resources.

Surely this cash could be better spent elsewhere?'"

As much as i agree (and believe me i do for the good of our international game) it is up for the RFL to take this lead and impose rules to that end.
It is not up to WTW to take the "morale crusade" standpoint.

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