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Quote: kinleycat "Theres a few who have yet to set this season alight, you can add Ali, Kirmo, Aiton and Sykes to that list for me.
TBF we were hardly cracking pots at this stage last season, i just hope we aren't relying on a seven match unbeaten run to drag us up the table this time around.'"


You're right - no way that we will go on a run like last year again. However the next 4 fixtures provide potential to get 3 more wins on the board
Widnes (A)
Catalans (H)
Hull KR (A)
Cas (Magic Weekend)
I think we could get 3 wins from those with a little bit of luck/confidence and that would certainly help us and set us up for a tilt at the 8 again (although I don't think we will make it this year).

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Quote: El Rey "If the team was breaking some pots then thats fine but its not.

Thats simply not right, he's paid to run a team and get results not play favorites, not suggesting he is by the way but i don't agree.'"


What I mean El Rey is that he has a responsibility to build a team. He isn't playing favourites because they are mates, he is playing the people who he thinks can do the best job. For me they are his favourites.

I think some see it like a school team where you might not be picked if not liked.
I'm sure Agar doesn't go out on the lash with the players. He just needs them to do the job in HIS way. If they don't follow or he finds it hard to work with them I think he should be able to get rid, even if a good player.

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Quote: El Rey "If the team was breaking some pots then thats fine but its not.

Thats simply not right, he's paid to run a team and get results not play favorites, not suggesting he is by the way but i don't agree.'"


Here here we are 4th bottom behind Widnes it is clear he should give Frankie a go! We aint breaking potts thats why I am frustrated if we were going well in top 8 I would back him but we have been poor and we have let 1 of our better players go.

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Here here we are 4th bottom behind Widnes it is clear he should give Frankie a go! We aint breaking potts thats why I am frustrated if we were going well in top 8 I would back him but we have been poor and we have let 1 of our better players go.'"


Give over, that is not what he said and he is only one of our better players in your opinionicon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: vastman "Give over, that is not what he said and he is only one of our better players in your opinion

Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.

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Are you frankie's dad?

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?/quote]

He was (when he wasn't injured) and for me, he only showed flashes of quality; one of those annoying players, like Leon Pryce, who only injects himself into the game at certain times but is largely anonymous for long spells.

Frustrating in this case, as he could have had a similar presence on the pitch to Glenn Morrison, who ran the 'excellent lines' you keep banging on about, but for the full 80 mins, as well as being one of the most brutal and hurtful tacklers we've ever had. The difference between the two I guess is work ethic, motivation and possibly ticker.

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"


Mariano has played 42 times for Wakefield
23 in 2011 14 in 2012 and 5 this season

So actually Agar has played him quite a lot though not as much as JK but equally there was no one else either.
19 games is enough for Agar to make an assessment in my opinion. Whether it is a good or bad decision it isn't a case of giving him a try, he knows what he can do.
He is not just not playing him, he is making a decision about whether he wants to play him, based on his previous games and his time at training.

And trust? Why is that even in question?
I pretty confident he isn't trying to make us lose so I trust him to do the best he can.
Right now I think Agar is good enough. Time will tell.

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"


feel free to follow him to Fev and report back give it a rest

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"


Why does he poop gold bars? Why does he deserve more chances than anyone else, he's had 5 starts he's not exactly been ignored.

As for Kear I wondered when that would happen, congrats for being the first to use that lame argument.

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Quote: PopTart "What I mean El Rey is that he has a responsibility to build a team. He isn't playing favourites because they are mates, he is playing the people who he thinks can do the best job. For me they are his favourites.

I think some see it like a school team where you might not be picked if not liked.
I'm sure Agar doesn't go out on the lash with the players. He just needs them to do the job in HIS way. If they don't follow or he finds it hard to work with them I think he should be able to get rid, even if a good player.'"



I see, sorry if i took what you said the wrong way.

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Quote: El Rey "I see, sorry if i took what you said the wrong way.'"


No problem. I didn't really explain myself properly.

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I Personally don't like the saying the manager has favorites, it makes it sound like there's something underhand going on, like he isn't picking his best side just those he gets on personally better. Obviously like everyone that watches RL, people rate players differently and that's exactly what's going on here and like what's been said before he's in the best place to make an assessment of said player. I don't think for one moment if Agar thought Mariano was better than the other players in the side he wouldn't pick him, atetd he's as desperate as us to win games, it's his livelihood on the line.

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Quote: newgroundb4cas "Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"



You are fast becoming a complete joke.
I suspect Kear didn't play him every week to earn your trust - he did it because he thought Frankie was the best available to him at the time.
The same reason that Agar is not picking him now.
If Kear had had Kirmond, Lauitiiti and the Annekin that we have seen so much of this season, how many games do you think Frankie would have got in front of them???
Bearing in mind standard practice is two 2nd rowers on the pitch and one on the bench, does he fit into those three places ahead of the ones named above?

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Just out of interest, wasn't Frankie OOC at the end of last season? If Agar didn't think he had something to offer, wouldn't he have let him go instead of giving him another contract? Maybe he feels let down by a player he has rewarded with an improved contract based on his previous performances eusa_think.gif

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