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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I’m guessing the capacity on the east terrace may be a problem, especially when the likes of Leeds & Wigan come to town.

But what about the east stand, will that become segregated, or is it that once you refrain from standing up the chance of any altercation decreases.'"


How about simply not having segregation, and not letting in people who are drunk and not selling lager to the intoxicated?

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Quote: cross lane cat "You seem to have an obsession with "lager sales",did you not get a drink on monday? icon_cheers.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: violetrwb "How about simply not having segregation, and not letting in people who are drunk and not selling lager to the intoxicated?'"


I am forced to agree the club are hell bent on selling as much alcohol as they can then complain when the idiots that don't know there limit play up. so when it all goes tits up they can sit back and say well money is in the bank but the eyes of super league will be on us and with Hull being the visitors they would have been wise to say no beer sales cos them guys don't know any limits.

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Quote: Horbury Cat "I am forced to agree the club are hell bent on selling as much alcohol as they can then complain when the idiots that don't know there limit play up. so when it all goes tits up they can sit back and say well money is in the bank but the eyes of super league will be on us and with Hull being the visitors they would have been wise to say no beer sales cos them guys don't know any limits.'"


Harsh to single out Hull FC as the same applies to our on band of morons. Sort that lot out, no need for segregation.

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Quote: violetrwb "Harsh to single out Hull FC as the same applies to our on band of morons. Sort that lot out, no need for segregation.'"


Err no it isn't, I can only assume you are new to the game.

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Quote: vastman "Err no it isn't, I can only assume you are new to the game.'"


Ha ha, no I understand the point being made, but we've had a few incidents at Belle Vue in recent years and we can't simply blame away fans for them.

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Quote: violetrwb "Why not, or at the least the stewards that Key Security provide?*

What you are suggesting mirrors what the club seems to be doing in relation to poor behaviour within the ground - take the easy option rather than tackle the actual issue at root cause.

*I suspect that being bladdered is part of the T&Cs of ground entry.'"


I’m not suggesting anything, I just don’t think it should be down to the people who are sat in that little booth determining who comes into the ground.

I never take any notice of whether there are any security staff stood outside the ground, if they are, then yes they should be doing the policing, if not I presume it would cost the club to increase the staffing levels.

But, I wouldn’t accuse the club of taking any easy options, hence I can no longer stand in the same place as I have for forty odd years. The root cause IMO isn’t alcohol per say, it’s more to do with the moral breakdown of society.

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Quote: violetrwb "Ha ha, no I understand the point being made, but we've had a few incidents at Belle Vue in recent years and we can't simply blame away fans for them.'"

I honestly think we've more of late because of the push for the North stand, we used to have a sort of natural regulation/segregation but when we started the partial segregation we seemed to get clumps of away supporters standing in " our " end and trouble ensued, I saw very little trouble at Belle vue prior to the lets go North campaign! If you can unstand that ramble. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I’m not suggesting anything, I just don’t think it should be down to the people who are sat in that little booth determining who comes into the ground.

I never take any notice of whether there are any security staff stood outside the ground, if they are, then yes they should be doing the policing, if not I presume it would cost the club to increase the staffing levels.

But, I wouldn’t accuse the club of taking any easy options, hence I can no longer stand in the same place as I have for forty odd years. The root cause IMO isn’t alcohol per say, it’s more to do with the moral breakdown of society.'"


So we're in agreement that drunk people should be weeded out and not let in. Sorry for any misrepresentation, accidental I can assure you.

I disagree with you however, I think that the club's desire to get as much revenue as possible within the ground is far more connected with the relatively isolated incidents of poor behaviour which will no doubt be used as justification for this lazy catch all policy. There have been idiots at rugby grounds for decades, and I don't think that you can link it to any societal change, I could of course counter that far more youngsters stay on at school and subsequently attend university to highlight a more positive trend in society.

Idiot with booze in a crowded boisterous partisan environment = potential problem.

Idiot with no booze, much less of a problem.

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Quote: violetrwb "So we're in agreement that drunk people should be weeded out and not let in. Sorry for any misrepresentation, accidental I can assure you.

I disagree with you however, I think that the club's desire to get as much revenue as possible within the ground is far more connected with the relatively isolated incidents of poor behaviour which will no doubt be used as justification for this lazy catch all policy. There have been idiots at rugby grounds for decades, and I don't think that you can link it to any societal change, I could of course counter that far more youngsters stay on at school and subsequently attend university to highlight a more positive trend in society.

Idiot with booze in a crowded boisterous partisan environment
I've got to disagree with you a littleregarding idiots at rugby grounds, we've been all over watching Wakey over the last 30yrs, we've stood in the threepenny stand at Hull, the home side at KR, the Wheldon road end at Cas and never had a punch thrown, plenty of banter of course, but I wouldn't dream of it now, is it cos I'm getting old or has society changed, I can't answer that but rugby is certainly getting more edgy, and I for one don't like it!

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Quote: violetrwb "So we're in agreement that drunk people should be weeded out and not let in. Sorry for any misrepresentation, accidental I can assure you.

I disagree with you however, I think that the club's desire to get as much revenue as possible within the ground is far more connected with the relatively isolated incidents of poor behaviour which will no doubt be used as justification for this lazy catch all policy. There have been idiots at rugby grounds for decades, and I don't think that you can link it to any societal change, I could of course counter that far more youngsters stay on at school and subsequently attend university to highlight a more positive trend in society.

Idiot with booze in a crowded boisterous partisan environment

There has always been booze on sale at the ground I remember the bar in the old west stand, however, back in the day before ID’s etc the barman would be much stricter as to who he served.

Nowadays there doesn’t appear to be the same restraint & alcohol fuelled animosity is the order of the day. But this doesn’t just happen at B.V the only difference is other clubs keep the opposing fans apart & that appears to be the way we are going.

So you either clamp down on alcohol sales or you segregate, I know which is financially beneficial to any club in these austere times.

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Quote: violetrwb "Ha ha, no I understand the point being made, but we've had a few incidents at Belle Vue in recent years and we can't simply blame away fans for them.'"


Oh I see, well then I agree booze is probably the deciding factor - personally don't understand why folk want to drink pre match as it ruins the viewing experience to me.

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