There were quite a few hull idiots there yesterday the 5 who started on 2 fans were particually discusting. They have no place in rugby league. i didnt see if they were arrested but i have heard that there were some wakey fans taken to hospital as a result of incidents outside the ground and on doncaster road. This came from a friend who was at a&e last night and saw them coming in

I have to say, although I haven’t changed my mind about fitness levels in general, those stats are hard to argue with so I concede on this particular game.
My point is though that in fitness terms, technique and style of one team can make the other look unfit.

I doubt that if we got all the players from both sides on a rowing machine in a distance race that the Hull team would be all at the bottom and Wakefield be all at the top in fitness list.

However, we’ve come on the wrong end of it a number of times. Huddersfield are excellent at it when they play us. They just keep running the forwards down the same channel over and over and it looks like you are stopping them at first but after a while the players in the middle are doing all the tackling and they let someone slip through. Then at the end of the game there is a big hole in the defensive plan and it all falls apart out wide.

Smith gets a lot of criticism for just turning the ball back inside at Wakefield but that is what he is trying to do for us. I thought it worked against you guys to a certain extent. Added to that I didn’t think the Hull half backs tackled well which then meant the next guy was working harder.
Of course mental toughness comes into it too. When you guys are on a low, once the other team get a roll on, even if you are miles ahead, everyone starts panicking. Your team is obviously low on confidence even though you clearly have a top 4/6 side. Hard to change that. We know that story well at Belle Vue.

Hope your guys sort it out soon.

A lot of the first half score against us came from our own errors and Hull didnt look any better than us.The message was got out that the Hull half backs were not doing a job in the tackle department and were targeted.I said to the mates early doors of the second half they were starting to tire and we had a chance.The Hull pack ran out of steam around the 30 mins mark and the rest as they say is history.Noticed through out the game the number of times the clock was stopped and it was as though the Hull players needed a rest.One of the mates did say near the end of the second half it appeared to be a long second half in terms of mins played but as I said look how long the clock has been stopped over that time.

Same issue on both sides with a very small minority who can't take their beer.

On the subject of the "Agar Out" title....

Have any of the people posting earlier in the season or even those chanting at the game changed their mind now we have hit a run of wins?
Do they accept Agar yet?
I have always said we needed time and dry weather for this team and although there is a lot of work still to do it is showing good signs. He wasn't my immediate choice but the best of the bunch on offer. I was happy to back him and still am. How alone am I on that?

Just wondered what people think now?

Right up until the Catalans match I was pleasantly surprised with what I was seeing on the pitch, since then it’s been very hit and miss, culminating with two victories against one poor and one awful side and yesterday’s 25 minute comeback papering over the cracks of woeful attacking decisions and soft line defence in the opening 55 minutes.

I still have major doubts about Agar and his sometime bizarre squad selections, but whenever I hear him being interviewed he speaks a hell of a lot of sense. Right at the start of his tenure I was sceptical but took the stance lets see what happens, just as earlier on in the season the run of defeats when IMO the team was playing well didn’t sway me to call for Agar’s head, this this recent purple patch will not lead me into believing he is the one to take the club forward.

Totally agree with you on these points (although the part in bold I feel doesn't really matter as it's a different kind of fitness to play rugby than it is to row a rower... I doubt Sir Steve could manage 80 minutes on the rugby field!).

It's something Hull were doing pretty well at the start of the season. We did it well against Warrington. I had fans around me shouting abuse at our tactics saying that we're not making any yards, etc. When I pointed out to them that we were trying to tire the forwards and you'll see the benefits later in the game, they didn't really agree with me until we took a bit of a lead. Of course, we fell at the last hurdle again as usual!


Again, agree. Jamie Ellis has been shocking in the tackling department for us. His running game isn't great. The main thing he offers us is his kicking game, and yesterday that wasn't evident at all.
Seymour can put in some good tackles in a game, but put a step on him and he's invisible.


The thing that gets me is, even when we've been on a high this season and when people have been saying we're in good form, these issues have been happening. Not to the extent of yesterday, however. I think the magnitude of yesterday may have been down to confidence, but the issue before it is a little deeper rooted IMO.


Not as much as me!

Indeed. We don't condone ours, and it wasn't very good to see a poster on here condone yours. Two wrongs don't make a right.


I wouldn't have gone with Agar myself personally, but now that you have he deserves to be given a chance. He's not exactly had a great deal to work with at first (as most new coaches find), and he's not doing too bad to start with. But I don't think he'll be the person to take you past a mid table side in all honesty.


Agar is a very good talker. He can give some good answers in hindsight, but at his time at Hull he couldn't find the answers for the team on the pitch. There are many flaws in his game plans (selections and rotations being one of them!).

I think he can take you to mid table, possibly the play offs, in his time with you. But you won't be anywhere near challenging under him IMO.

If it happened, it's out of order. But may need a bit more of a conclusive report than "a friend told me" as that's how Chinese whispers start!

On another point, one thing that I thought about when reflecting on the match was how ‘John Kear’ like Trinity tactics turned out to be, dogged determination, one man rugby with quick scoots from dummy half. Maybe I’m on my own, but I know it came up a few times on here that a ‘John Kear’ side would’ve won a number of the closer games Trinity lost and I think yesterday was as close you could’ve got to a comparison of the two coaching styles of Agar (more expansive but ultimately lateral) and Kear (very direct).

If you don't get what I'm on about you are being a bit dim.

The point I'm making is very simple. When you are the winning fans you think it's just a bit of teasing and gloating - no harm done - Hull fans are especially adept at this. When you are on the losing side it's not funny at all and you call it drunken abuse - yet another Hull speciality. I have experienced so much abuse at the hands of Hull fans I can barely feel an ounce of pity for you - I certainly remained amazed you had the audacity to bring it up on our forum all things considered.

I'm not defending the Trinity fans I to have noticed a distinct drop in standards this season at BV, however you are in no position to moan - this is how it is at RL these days and your fans have done more than any others to create it. You do actually notice what goes on EVERY game in your own chav corner at the KC.

You my friend have that peculiar double standard so prevalent in society these days. I suggest you leave it now and retreat with your reputation in tact, just.

I know what you mean. However that is hugely negative even for me. In fairness all teams have a moment where they turn a corner and finally start playing how they train to. The last 25 mins was top RL IMHO so maybe this is it. It may as you say be papering over the cracks, only time will tell. That said 3 on the bop at least deserves that we give them some credit and a second chance - surely?

Certainly, and what many were criticising the team for earlier on in the season was a lack of mental toughness, and the last three games has certainly shown they have got some of that so the players and coach deserve credit for that. However, I still can’t shake off the indecision and a real lack of options shown by the players in the first half when camped on the Hull FC try line. Either way judging at the end of the season or possibly next will give a better indication rather than a three of four game period in the season.

I suppose their are levels - we have probably moved up to competent - maybe what you are wanting is a level or two up from that. Yes we should have done better and we were not decisive on some occasion but we still managed 32 points so we must be getting it right more often.

Yes the team selections are a bit odd at times but they do seem to be working. For me Southern came on and was worth every minute - he may be light but he close them down and hit them hard - I certainly don't think PJ or James would have done any better.

Yes I thought Southern, particularly in the second half, ran the ball in very hard and looking back could be cited as the catalyst to get the ball rolling which lead the 22 unanswered points. Make no mistake I was very impressed with the grit shown in the 25 minutes.