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| Quote: Starbug "The RFL havent bought Odsal, theyve paid the Bulls a million + to purchase the lease, yes thats right, they have given the Bulls a million plus
Give over now.
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| LOL at one or two of the Bradford fans jumping on their high horse about Wakefield after this episode, I don't think hardly anyone has said a bad word about the Bulls, just questioning the RFL's conflict of interests but apparently if you have a opinion about this your a whinger or jealous, you couldn't make it up.
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| Two points:
1 - It becomes increasingly clear that this transaction is a thinly-disguised loan to the Bulls. Bulls get lump sum now; Bulls repay through rent over next very few years. Dress it up how you want, that is how it looks to me. A loan. Simple as.
2 - Then we ask why the club suddenly needs £1m plus NOW anyway? My guess is to settle the image rights etc liability assessed by HMRC. The alternative would be to do as you did, and go bust and a phoenix company rises - free of liabilities for the past. Since, like you, without a sugar daddy or corporate owner we could not hope to meet such liabilities.
Now, looked at in that light, would you rather that the RFL had loaned YOU a substantial sum? That you had to repay out of future income somehow? Or would you rather be as you are: a new entity, free from historic liabilities (except through choice)?
You escaped all past liabilities for tax on image rights and the like. If I am right, we will not.
Does this scenario make some people a little less apoplectic?
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| Quote: seal "On the other hand, this is the exception compared to fulham/london broncos/ harlequins/london broncos/ whatever they will next become.'"
Quote: seal "no it isn't but look at the [sizeyears of assistance to the broncos/quins[/size, Celtic/crusaders rl, Catalan in no relegate
You and your club have the sympathy of loads fans around the game and we understand the frustration you must be experiencing, but comments like the ones above do you no favours. I have asked for proof of the assistance received by the London team 10 years......I have yet to receive any. Crusaders were lent money, Catalans were given 3 years free from relegation, we had no special treatment and no financial assistance in any shape or form......so please, stop making yourself look bitter and twisted, as well as stupid.
Again...I fully understand the frustration, it does smack of double standards.
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| rlhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/4083298/Its-an-Ods-on-winner.html?utm_medium
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| I'm amazed that so many people are shocked by this 'deal'. The RFL make the FA look like a bastion of competency and integrity.
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| What is staggering here is the RFL's desperation to "save one of the games most iconic stadia".
Central Park gone, The Boulevard gone, Wilderspool gone, Belle Vue and Wheldon Road going.
Now, Idont mind a bit of History, without history there is no future, but why Odsal ?
If Bradford had a good option to move to Valley Parade, which is certainly a more up to date stadium,
why does Odsal need some kind of "preservation order" ?
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| Well this whole affair appears nothing more than a loan of £1M plus from the RFL to the Bulls. The RFL have taken the lease of the ground over as security, end of.
The interesting bit is that Steve Parkin has obviously been in the background regarding the Bulls. Whatever his true intentions were for the Bulls, Odsal etc we may never know. However should we get the green light in the next couple of months I wonder if he is looking at us again ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "What is staggering here is the RFL's desperation to "save one of the games most iconic stadia".
Central Park gone, The Boulevard gone, Wilderspool gone, Belle Vue and Wheldon Road going.
Now, Idont mind a bit of History, without history there is no future, but why Odsal ?
If Bradford had a good option to move to Valley Parade, which is certainly a more up to date stadium,
why does Odsal need some kind of "preservation order" ?'"
Read adeybulls post , this is nothing to do with Odsal , that was just the usual RFL spin ,this is a loan to the Bulls to keep them in business, plain and simple
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| Quote: Adeybull "Two points1 - It becomes increasingly clear that this transaction is a thinly-disguised loan to the Bulls. Bulls get lump sum now; Bulls repay through rent over next very few years. Dress it up how you want, that is how it looks to me. A loan. Simple as.
2 - Then we ask why the club suddenly needs £1m plus NOW anyway? My guess is to settle the image rights etc liability assessed by HMRC. The alternative would be to do as you did, and go bust and a phoenix company rises - free of liabilities for the past. Since, like you, without a sugar daddy or corporate owner we could not hope to meet such liabilities.
Now, looked at in that light, would you rather that the RFL had loaned YOU a substantial sum? That you had to repay out of future income somehow? Or would you rather be as you are
Not really no.
You would have paid rent to Bradford Council anyway, now you will pay rent to the RFL. However the RFL have given you money in the meantime.
So in my eyes you've been given a bail out and will now continue to pay rent, all be it to a different party.
As others have said I have no issue with Bradford over this as you look to have done what is necessary to secure your future, the same as we would all wish our own clubs to do.
The problem lies with the RFL executing their own unique style of double standards again, whereby they are willing to bend over backwards to help certain clubs and couldn't give a toss about others.
As for point 2 of your argument, you are right, the admiistration was the best thing that could have happened to us (although obviously not for the creditors of the old club, or the shareholders).
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| Quote: Adeybull "Two points
Quite frankly no it doesn't. No matter how you care to dress it up, the fact that the RL got involved in any way finacially, when they have refused help to other clubs smacks of favouritism of the highest order.
It is, of course, excellent business by the Bulls who are to be congratulated in seemingly securing an unlimited SL franchise.
The RL view that they are saving one of our most famous grounds is rubbish. Odsal is famous for one reason-the record crowd for the cup final back in the 50's. Other then that it a shambles and barely better than Belle Vue. In fact I'd rather go to BV any day.
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| Quote: gutterfax "You and your club have the sympathy of loads fans around the game and we understand the frustration you must be experiencing, but comments like the ones above do you no favours. I have asked for proof of the assistance received by the London team 10 years......I have yet to receive any. Crusaders were lent money, Catalans were given 3 years free from relegation, we had no special treatment and no financial assistance in any shape or form......so please, stop making yourself look bitter and twisted, as well as stupid.
Again...I fully understand the frustration, it does smack of double standards.'"
, but that's in the long term, not a big cash pay-out now," explained Hughes.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Does seem odd, but there are two distinct differences
I understand why you would ask question number 1. I realise the relevance in terms of Super League, but if the RFL do in fact adopt that stance why is it they felt fit to purchase Cougar Park and Spotland? They're hardly super league standard facilities
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| Quote: sandaltrinityfan "Quite frankly no it doesn't. No matter how you care to dress it up, the fact that the RL got involved in any way finacially, when they have refused help to other clubs smacks of favouritism of the highest order.'"
The RFL HAVE helped other clubs. Regularly. Including your own, with loans in the past, and recently by allowing a completely new entity to retain and continue with the franchise despite a substantial loss to the taxpayer and others and despite a previous insolvency. They could easily have insisted the new entity starts again at the bottom, and promoted (say) Fax into SL instead. Indeed, the Fax fans were generally seething that the RFL did NOT do this.
Quote: sandaltrinityfan "It is, of course, excellent business by the Bulls who are to be congratulated in seemingly securing an unlimited SL franchise.'"
How so?
A successful franchise bid consists of a number of elements, of which the stadium is but part. The RFL could quite easily award a franchise to play at Odsal to another team or entity - even you lot. They would still collect the rent as return on their original investment.
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| Quote: Fordy "Not really no.
You would have paid rent to Bradford Council anyway, now you will pay rent to the RFL.'"
Wrong.
We paid a peppercorn to the council.
We will pay a commercial rent to the RFL.
In exchange for that additional annual cost, we get a sum up front. Bit like equity release on your house.
Where is the subsidy in that? (clue: nowhere).
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