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| Fact... Poor season on field.
Fact... Poor start off field.
Fact.... Negative press aplenty.
We could have aimed for top coaches but it's unrealistic to expect them to come at the early stage of the clubs plan to become a professional outfit.
Agar will be affordable, and dare I say one of the best candidates on the list of who applied. We want a coach who wants to come to Wakefield.
Agar has alot to prove and although not quite achieved expectations at hull he has been ok, 2 x playoffs in last 2 seasons is nothing to be sniffed at. The hull fans want top 4...we want playoffs or there abouts.
Agar is a model charachter, and appears to instill a work ethic and professionalism in his playing staff. This is what we are trying to achieve and agar may be the best we can get for the money and what he offers.
We are just not in the Market for a micheal maguire or a Peter gentle but we could be in 2 years. that's why with the ST offer us fans need to take up the SUPER offer and back our club as best we can.
Let's give the guy a shot. New club, new staff, new surroundings.
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| The main priority in the successful candidate in my opinion should be developing youngsters and being able to bridge the gap/divide between academy to first team. People talk about attracting top quality imports, however, I think clubs with bigger reputations and salary caps will struggle given the rise in salaries in the NRL.
I won't pretend Agar was my 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice of coach but that said he'll get my full backing if he is announced. I interviewed him as a young coach just starting out and i remember coming away rather impressed with his knowledge and understanding of the game. So, I say give the guy a chance.
If true, he's mate's with Elston then JE is taking a big risk employing him.
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| theres only one thing that happens when two mates work together and the pressure is on its disaster 9 times out of 10
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| If it is Agar to be announced then he will get my full backing and he starts with a clean slate.
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| Quote: altofts wildcat "If it is Agar to be announced then he will get my full backing and he starts with a clean slate.'" Here here, Agar will know and appreciate the challenge, he won't just sit there after a few defeats thinking is this my lot, what's the next commentary date? he'll knuckle down. I kinda wanted a low profile coach like JD, Poching or even March as they wouldn't think they were bigger than the club like Noble, Goulding, Millward or Gentle would have. Perhaps Agar, who could attract bigger names than my preferences, is a perfect happy medium?
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| Quote: The Trip "Also if as stated RA is good mates with JE well what's the problem.It's a positive, this friendship can only be a good thing in communication's between CE and Coach. Trust!'"
I can't agree on that point; a cosy group of mates at the top level of any organisation is most definitely a BAD thing. That group needs to challenge and disagree with each other, and be able to constructively criticise the things that the others are doing. Very difficult and uncomfortable things to do with the bloke who'll be at your barby on Sat night.
If JE has been banging the drum for Agar since the process started, he's taking a big risk.
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| Quote: bren2k "I can't agree on that point; a cosy group of mates at the top level of any organisation is most definitely a BAD thing. That group needs to challenge and disagree with each other, and be able to constructively criticise the things that the others are doing. Very difficult and uncomfortable things to do with the bloke who'll be at your barby on Sat night.
If JE has been banging the drum for Agar since the process started, he's taking a big risk.'"
I've done this many times with mates and we're still mates today. It really doesn't bother me if Richard and James are friends, they should both be professional enough to realise that whilst at work they are colleagues and may well have conflicting ideas. Give the man a chance and judge him this time in twelve months. Clean slate and a new start next season for the club, the coach and the squad. In reality next season is like our first season in super league all over again, at this moment in time we have a sub standard squad in terms of super league ability, the club are actively looking to improve this for next season.
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| Quote: dboy "None of the answers to the questions you pose make HFC a "big" club.
They confirm you as the biggest underachievers in SL. Well done you.'"
That's your new coach's fault. I hope you enjoy him. 3 year deal I'm hearing. He's bringing some deadwood players with him too
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| Quote: bren2k "I can't agree on that point; a cosy group of mates at the top level of any organisation is most definitely a BAD thing. That group needs to challenge and disagree with each other, and be able to constructively criticise the things that the others are doing. Very difficult and uncomfortable things to do with the bloke who'll be at your barby on Sat night.
If JE has been banging the drum for Agar since the process started, he's taking a big risk.'"
Don't fully agree with you on this one, obviously there are exceptions but I was in business with my best friend for over a decade and sure there's ups and downs but as long as your both mature enough, intelligent and honest it can be a very healthy working environment. If anything you can be more honest with someone you know and talk a lot straighter.
At the end of the day as long as Agar is the best candidate out of those that have been interviewed, there's not a lot more any of us can say, they've obviously been through the correct process and by the sounds of it had guys in front of Agar, who have chosen to go else where.
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| Quote: Shifty Cat "Don't fully agree with you on this one, obviously there are exceptions but I was in business with my best friend for over a decade and sure there's ups and downs but as long as your both mature enough, intelligent and honest it can be a very healthy working environment. If anything you can be more honest with someone you know and talk a lot straighter.
At the end of the day as long as Agar is the best candidate out of those that have been interviewed, there's not a lot more any of us can say, they've obviously been through the correct process and by the sounds had guys in front of Agar but we are where we are.'"
Fair comments on both points - maybe it's time for a reality check for many people, myself included.
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| There are times when I see/hear fellow Hull fans do/say things that really make me grimace and hope nobody tars me with the same brush.
As for Agar, I'm another who thinks the change could do him good. I think he was promoted beyond his ability, but as said he did a good job of clearing out deadwood and his recruitment has included some very good signings for us. Also, this season we have started to play much better stuff. He does seem to have improved during his tenure, and may well do so in his next job wherever that may be. He should also have learned a lot from his time at Hull. I also genuinely believe that he does everything he can that he thinks is for the good of the club and works very hard.
The biggest problems I think he has are his interchanges, his reluctance to give youth a go, inability/refusal to change tactics mid-game, and persistent failure against the top teams. He needs to fix a couple of those in the near future to do a good job for you IMO. If money continues to be tight for you he'll probably be forced into promoting youth at least.
If he did come to you I reckon what he would do would be similar to what he did with us (at least initially); get you winning the games you 'should', but not producing any shocks. I wouldn't bank on any cup runs with him, though. I think he'd maybe get you back to the fringes of the playoffs, but then you might need someone else to kick on further, as we are trying to do.
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| Quote: bren2k "Don't worry too much - we all have our divots.'"
Afraid that guy is a trench not a divot.
Agar will do OK at Wakefield. As another fan said a change will do him good. He got Hull to a CC final and has a very good knowledge of young talent in the British game. Hope he goes well for you.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Afraid that guy is a trench not a divot.
Agar will do OK at Wakefield. As another fan said a change will do him good. He got Hull to a CC final and has a very good knowledge of young talent in the British game. Hope he goes well for you.'"
It's nice to see some balanced views - cheers for that, and the poster above.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "The biggest problems I think he has are his interchanges, his reluctance to give youth a go, inability/refusal to change tactics mid-game, and persistent failure against the top teams.'"
That has a familiar ring to it.
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