In my opinion, we've had this for at least 5 years. Would any form of Wakefield trinity for the past 50 years have survived the global pandemic? doubtful. wonder what the succession planning is once MC and JM clear off into the sunset?

Believe me, Success is standing outside Wakefield or Barnsley town hall along with many thousands of other like minded fans watching your heroes Lifting an item of silverware and being deafened by the noise. Aaaahh! Distant memories:CLAP:

I agree with you on ambition. However I don't see the incumbents have the financial muscle to do so, therefore you need a sugar daddy or a load more fans

Stadium sorted and steady top 8 is success at the moment build on from there.

Up the Trin

I'd go with that for 2 or 3 years. If we achieve that then we can look to aim higher after that - both on and off the field.

To me it's achieving more than your expectations.
So for me this year, if we got to mid table I'd say we had a relatively successful season.

Survival in super league is success

Actual success, I think, is measured in trophies.
However, on a shorter timescale, any progress towards that goal can be seen as success.
For this season, I would say 8th or above in the league and a challenge cup semi would be regarded as relative success.
The reality is we've been held back for 40 years by lack of finance and so developments off the field this year are possibly more important than on-field achievements.
Saying that, when the team play well, we see an attractive and entertaining style of rugby with no little skill.
Expect 8th and quarter final but would be ecstatic with a cup final appearance or a play-off place.

Success is winning trophies for me. I don't expect or demand that, just dream.

One day ...

I tend to look at success on a season by season basis.

For me a good/successful season in ‘21 would be finishing 9th or higher, a decent cup run to get the floating fans excited and to see a spade hit the ground in September for the stadium.

Success is relative.
Absolute success would be the "business" growing and profitable and Trophies in the cabinet.
However, any improvement in last year (on and off the field) would also be success.

Right now, seeing the ground improvements begin and a solid season on the pitch would be a great season.
This would show that the club are indeed making progress both on and off the field.

Still dreaming of Wembley though

Imagine getting to Wembley and not being able to attend, would be just our luck....

I agree, success is relative, it`s also personal based on expectations of outcomes so not only is there a massive difference in opinion on what a successful campaign or a failure is club by club but it will also vary massively in a clubs fanbase.

In my own head, I try to find a better word for "success" in what I refer to above as I think there is a massive difference between relative success and what I would call actual or absolute success, that been Silverware 100% IMO, however if we made the grand final that would be a great success for Wakefield Trinity as we stand relative to our current circumstances.