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Quote: vastman "It's not a dampener at all.

It is very feasible and workable but so was Thornes, NM and even a revamped BV. Sadly the will from those with the abilities to make it happen remains totally lacking.

I can come up with a dozen such ideas and you can sit in a thousand meetings but until a real facilitator appears we are getting more stuffed by the day.

To me money though a major factor is not the issue it's all to do with the will. The people of the merry city are constantly being let down by their famous sons who's won't step up to the plate, whether politicians, businessmen or other assorted dignitaries and it's a disgrace.

Currently the clubs survival, not the ground just the club depends on a well meaning but not excessvly wealthy guy from Hull (I believe). No offence to MC but that's fecking shocking.

I know all the pitfalls of my recent idea. It's meant as a point of discussion put forward in the hope that there might be elements of it that people were not aware of and from small acorns etc. I don't see what I put as an actual final solution.

Just read the first link for the Canada one again before dismissing it completely to see what's actually possible. However I know what you mean and frankly my best suggestion is that the supporters trust have a whip round for a lotto ticket, how tragic that's where we are after 12 years.

Finally and I hope you don't take this the wrong way but when people like yourself or anybody for that matter get so engrossed in a project you can develop tunnel vision and obsess on one solution as if its the only one which it rarely is, Sometimes it takes a eureka moment from the outside (usually the wife in my case), usually a statement of the obvious that's been staring us all even the great and the good in the face from the start. I'm not suggesting this is it although I do feel there is an element of it that could be a useful compromise solution. So please don't fall into the trap of dismissing everything just to prove you were right - knowing you as I do I don't think you'd ever do that but it can't harm anyone to be reminded.

i think you're doing a great job under near impossible circumstances so no criticism intended, it's more a case that if I hadn't suggested this and there could be some value in it to you (SWAG) and the club i'd never forgive myself.'"

All of what you say is true, and none of it taken as criticism. I do think there is merit in the ideas you propose, but we need to have the knowledge and security of ownership / leasehold to even think about this stuff.

My mind is very much open - I'm a fan of Newmarket, for reasons you know, but I couldn't give a monkeys where it was built now, provided any solution, new or refurbished, were to provide the facilities the club needs to maintain and improve its ability to trade and therefore service the community in which we live. BV seems like the most obvious solution, and would satisfy many a need for heritage etc, although little of recognition would remain, but that is now wrapped up in a battle between 2 developers, both of whom probably just wish they didn't have either us, the supporters, or the club to deal with.

Manni is a developer. He will want wants best for him and his company - as he is entitled to do. Our goal is to try and ensure that he believes that his purpose is best served by including us within any solution he puts forward.

If I had time, I'd write the book!

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