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Quote: Khlav Kalash "Much of the conditions will have ben set for the outline application, the reserved matters will cover the details. Things are moving but wouldn't be surprised if it pushed on a to next year for the Council to make a decision.'"

A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.

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Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.'"

When would we get to know if it’s defiantly being heard on the 18th November?

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Quote: Belle Vue "When would we get to know if it’s defiantly being heard on the 18th November?'"

Not until the meetings agenda is published, which is usually during the week before the meeting.

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Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.'"


Think you’re being slightly pessimistic, depends on the nature of any revisions. So long as they are minor I don’t think it would stop the start date. I’m not an expert but I believe you can start building so long as you agree to incorporate the requirements. That was certainly the case when my mate built his house, whether that applies to commercial I’m not sure.

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I don’t think it would show the council in a good light if the club got kicked out of SL because they’d been scratching their chins tying to make up their mind up.

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Quote: vastman "Think you’re being slightly pessimistic, depends on the nature of any revisions. So long as they are minor I don’t think it would stop the start date. I’m not an expert but I believe you can start building so long as you agree to incorporate the requirements. That was certainly the case when my mate built his house, whether that applies to commercial I’m not sure.'"

That's fine if you have the money in the bank, start dates have come and gone and it still feels like they are using time knowing full well that the club doesn't have any

Here's a question if we drop out of super league or get kicked out is the stadium still going to be up graded

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Quote: snowie "INOUTThat's fine if you have the money in the bank, start dates have come and gone and it still feels like they are using time knowing full well that the club doesn't have any

Here's a question if we drop out of super league or get kicked out is the stadium still going to be up graded'"


Yes but that’s if there is a major issue that causes the rejection of planning permission. That’s hopefully not what we are talking about here. Planning permission may come only if we can satisfy any amendments, hopefully we can in which case it won’t significantly delay the build if at all.

The far more crucial issue here imho is not planning permission as that’s basically a box ticking issue and I’m fairly sure we will manage that even with some slight delays.

The main issue is getting hold of the money and always has been. The are literally dozens of stadium plans out there with full planning permission, NM being one. But without the funds they are utterly useless.

You can get over planning issues, you can’t get over people who don’t stump up the cash.

I’m far more worried about the supposed start date of the build than I am about planning permission, that’s the date we should be nervous of.

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John said at a fans forum at the beginning of the season ,that if we got relegated.The new Stadium who still go ahead let's hope it does not come to that

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Quote: alegend "John said at a fans forum at the beginning of the season ,that if we got relegated.The new Stadium who still go ahead let's hope it does not come to that'"


He did and he’s right. The cost of the stadium upgrade is not being born by the club so the financial level the club is running at shouldn’t effect the scheme. Unlike say the LSV the cost is not funded by the club paying rent as we own the ground and Will own the infrastructure on completion.

Whether the club remains viable outside of SL is a separate issue.

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A post just popped up on my Facebook from 11 years ago

"yeah, planning permission granted on Trinity ground"

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Still got aT shirt “destination Newmarket “!!!

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Quote: cosmicat "Still got aT shirt “destination Newmarket “!!!'"

Does it still fit you icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: PopTart "A post just popped up on my Facebook from 11 years ago

"yeah, planning permission granted on Trinity ground"'"


Makes my point perfectly. For 11 years there has been planning permission for a state-of-the-art stadium, meaningless, though we didn't think so at the time. I suppose it's a bit like the planning permission to build houses on BV. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: PopTart "A post just popped up on my Facebook from 11 years ago

"yeah, planning permission granted on Trinity ground"'"

Yes 11 years, quite an eventful time with lots of false dawns and broken promises, perhaps things are starting to move a little now, 2 more new documents today, only 2 pages each.
They don’t say a lot, they just appear to tie up with the recent documents that have appeared on the plot 8 application recently. Are the developers, and Council finally tying up the loose ends?

Consultee Comment. PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WAKEFIELD COUNCIL
Consultee Details
Name: Public Rights of Way Wakefield Council
Address: Wakefield One, Burton Street, Wakefield WF1 2EB Email: Not Available
On Behalf Of: Public Rights Of Way

Comments
The comments previously made are relevant to the revised layout. The Trans Pennine Trail (TPT) / National Cycle Network Route 67 is adjacent to the southern boundary of the site and is a multi- user route for walkers, cyclists and horse riders. In the absence of evidence to the contrary there is an unrecorded public right of way from Meadowfield Rise adjacent to the south western corner of the site.
The additional western 3m wide footpath /cycle path to be provided, linking Newmarket Lane to the TPT, should have a tarmac surface for its full length. The Transport and Infrastructure plan 3.6 and the Transport Assessment addendum 2 - 3.8 refer to this path as a Hoggin-style footpath although other plans show it as tarmac.
The revised documents continue to refer to a pass gate on the bridge connecting the western footpath/cyclepath link to the Trans Pennine Trail. In the interests of accessibility the pass gate on this bridge is not required. Further information is required as to the future maintenance responsibility for the footpath/cycle path and the bridge. If the bridge is to be maintained by the Council then it will require approval to CG300 from the Council's Bridges Team. A commuted sum will be required for future maintenance of the bridge/cycle path.
The Visual Impact Assessment and revised photo montages indicate that the development has a substantial adverse visual impact on the TPT due to the proximity of the Trail on the southern boundary of the site. There are also other visual impacts on the wider path network. The proposed mitigation of this impact on the TPT and PROW network are noted. The revised Landscape
strategy 1.18 - 1.20 outlines the southern landscape buffer zone planting to mitigate the impact. It is important that the existing trees adjacent on the Trans Pennine Trail and those on the southern boundary are retained.
Regarding the proximity of the path at Meadowfield Rise and the TPT, should planning permission be granted I would be grateful if you could include the following informative: The footpath adjacent to the site and Trans Pennine Trail should not be disturbed or obstructed at any time.
We would like a contribution to improve the TPT at this location as part of the sustainable transport link to the site, including mitigation works to reduce the visual impact of the development.

Consultee Comment
WAKEFIELD COUNCIL DRAINAGE

Consultee Details
Name: Wakefield Council Drainage
Address: Create, Wakefield One, Burton Street, Wakefield WF1 2EB Email: Not Available
On Behalf Of: Drainage Section (WMDC)

Comments
Since the Lead Local Flood Authoritys (LLFA) previous response dated 4 January 2021, the layout of the development and the proposals for the watercourse diversion and surface water attenuation have changed.
The watercourse diversion was questioned in the previous consultation response. Further detail of the line and level of the watercourse diversion is required. The site sections show attenuation pond 2 to be below the level of the diverted watercourse and there is a proposed bund between the watercourse and the pond. It must be demonstrated that there will be not detrimental effect of the watercourse on the attenuation ponds or vice versa.

Please note that a consent for works affecting a watercourse will be required from the LLFA which is separate to the planning process.
The surface water runoff rate should be restricted to 3.5 l/s/ha, giving a total allowable runoff rate of 26 l/s. The attenuation ponds as proposed have sufficient capacity to accommodate the additional volume required due to this change.
Further construction details of the attenuation ponds are required, but this information could be conditioned if the watercourse issues described above been resolved.
A construction phase surface water management plan is required.

Steve Lister
Senior Engineer - Development Flood Risk Land Drainage & Flood Risk Management Highways & Transport Services
Communities, Environment & Climate Change Wakefield Council
07766 367753
Email: slister@wakefield.gov.uk www.wakefield.gov.uk
Quote: PopTart "A post just popped up on my Facebook from 11 years ago

"yeah, planning permission granted on Trinity ground"'"

Yes 11 years, quite an eventful time with lots of false dawns and broken promises, perhaps things are starting to move a little now, 2 more new documents today, only 2 pages each.
They don’t say a lot, they just appear to tie up with the recent documents that have appeared on the plot 8 application recently. Are the developers, and Council finally tying up the loose ends?

Consultee Comment. PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WAKEFIELD COUNCIL
Consultee Details
Name: Public Rights of Way Wakefield Council
Address: Wakefield One, Burton Street, Wakefield WF1 2EB Email: Not Available
On Behalf Of: Public Rights Of Way

Comments
The comments previously made are relevant to the revised layout. The Trans Pennine Trail (TPT) / National Cycle Network Route 67 is adjacent to the southern boundary of the site and is a multi- user route for walkers, cyclists and horse riders. In the absence of evidence to the contrary there is an unrecorded public right of way from Meadowfield Rise adjacent to the south western corner of the site.
The additional western 3m wide footpath /cycle path to be provided, linking Newmarket Lane to the TPT, should have a tarmac surface for its full length. The Transport and Infrastructure plan 3.6 and the Transport Assessment addendum 2 - 3.8 refer to this path as a Hoggin-style footpath although other plans show it as tarmac.
The revised documents continue to refer to a pass gate on the bridge connecting the western footpath/cyclepath link to the Trans Pennine Trail. In the interests of accessibility the pass gate on this bridge is not required. Further information is required as to the future maintenance responsibility for the footpath/cycle path and the bridge. If the bridge is to be maintained by the Council then it will require approval to CG300 from the Council's Bridges Team. A commuted sum will be required for future maintenance of the bridge/cycle path.
The Visual Impact Assessment and revised photo montages indicate that the development has a substantial adverse visual impact on the TPT due to the proximity of the Trail on the southern boundary of the site. There are also other visual impacts on the wider path network. The proposed mitigation of this impact on the TPT and PROW network are noted. The revised Landscape
strategy 1.18 - 1.20 outlines the southern landscape buffer zone planting to mitigate the impact. It is important that the existing trees adjacent on the Trans Pennine Trail and those on the southern boundary are retained.
Regarding the proximity of the path at Meadowfield Rise and the TPT, should planning permission be granted I would be grateful if you could include the following informative: The footpath adjacent to the site and Trans Pennine Trail should not be disturbed or obstructed at any time.
We would like a contribution to improve the TPT at this location as part of the sustainable transport link to the site, including mitigation works to reduce the visual impact of the development.

Consultee Comment
WAKEFIELD COUNCIL DRAINAGE

Consultee Details
Name: Wakefield Council Drainage
Address: Create, Wakefield One, Burton Street, Wakefield WF1 2EB Email: Not Available
On Behalf Of: Drainage Section (WMDC)

Comments
Since the Lead Local Flood Authoritys (LLFA) previous response dated 4 January 2021, the layout of the development and the proposals for the watercourse diversion and surface water attenuation have changed.
The watercourse diversion was questioned in the previous consultation response. Further detail of the line and level of the watercourse diversion is required. The site sections show attenuation pond 2 to be below the level of the diverted watercourse and there is a proposed bund between the watercourse and the pond. It must be demonstrated that there will be not detrimental effect of the watercourse on the attenuation ponds or vice versa.

Please note that a consent for works affecting a watercourse will be required from the LLFA which is separate to the planning process.
The surface water runoff rate should be restricted to 3.5 l/s/ha, giving a total allowable runoff rate of 26 l/s. The attenuation ponds as proposed have sufficient capacity to accommodate the additional volume required due to this change.
Further construction details of the attenuation ponds are required, but this information could be conditioned if the watercourse issues described above been resolved.
A construction phase surface water management plan is required.

Steve Lister
Senior Engineer - Development Flood Risk Land Drainage & Flood Risk Management Highways & Transport Services
Communities, Environment & Climate Change Wakefield Council
07766 367753
Email: slister@wakefield.gov.uk www.wakefield.gov.uk


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11 years, crickey, how time flies when you're having fun...

How long was it since the Durkar stadium and don't forget Thornes park!

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