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| Quote: PopTart "
It works in Featherstones favour as they would never draw from the wider Wakefield area as it does for a team like Hunslet. '"
It certainly doesn't work in Featherstone's favour, Fev will get the minimum 0.5 points whereas the likes of Keighley, Bradford, Newcastle, London Broncos etc will get the full 1.5 points.
That whole section of the scoring system is a farce tbh, teams should be rewarded for extending their reach/attendances/sphere of influence by their own efforts, not for theoretical/"potential" progress. London Broncos have been around for nearly 50 years, and in their current guise for around 30 years, but are currently playing in front of around 400 fans, the "potential" there is imaginary.
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| Quote: PopTart "Picking up on Lampy's point about having 3 teams in Wakefield area, it definitely works against us. None of us will ever get full 1.5 score on that. We all have 0.5 because of the population divided by 3 being less than 130k.
It works in Featherstones favour as they would never draw from the wider Wakefield area as it does for a team like Hunslet. They effectively get 1.5 points because they can draw on half of Leeds.
Which is quite unrealistic.
Minards tried to argue the case but clearly lost.
I'd also say we should include the Barnsley areas to the south. Both Cas and Wakefield draw from this but it isn't counted because its outside our postcode despite there being no competition.
York would get a point as their population is over the second threshold of 130k
Leigh and Wigan would each get 1 point as they divide the Borough but are still just over 130k'"
The local catchment area grading is only for the tier 1 and 2 clubs, so if Hunslet stay in C1 they won't count towards the Leeds Rhinos score. I'm not sure what (if any) points Hunslet would then also get.
I also don't think it's fair to say that it works in Featherstones favouras they have the same restrictions as both us and Cas, and perhaps the reason they have less of a wider reach at present is because they are currently not a top tier club. That might change should they be promoted and gain a wider viewerahip
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "The local catchment area grading is only for the tier 1 and 2 clubs, so if Hunslet stay in C1 they won't count towards the Leeds Rhinos score. I'm not sure what (if any) points Hunslet would then also get.
I also don't think it's fair to say that it works in Featherstones favouras they have the same restrictions as both us and Cas, and perhaps the reason they have less of a wider reach at present is because they are currently not a top tier club. That might change should they be promoted and gain a wider viewerahip'"
There's nothing in the handbook about only counting for tier 1 and 2. Hunslet will still need to complete an IMG submission.
Its just opinion. You may be right about Featherstone
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| From the IMG handbook:
CATCHMENT AREA THRESHOLDS
• Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local
Authority District where the club’s stadium is located
divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs
in the same area.
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| Quote: The Phantom Horseman "From the IMG handbook
Oh well if you are going to contradict me with actual facts there is no hope!
I even read that too. I need to work on that.
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| Quote: The Phantom Horseman "It certainly doesn't work in Featherstone's favour, Fev will get the minimum 0.5 points whereas the likes of Keighley, Bradford, Newcastle, London Broncos etc will get the full 1.5 points.
That whole section of the scoring system is a farce tbh, teams should be rewarded for extending their reach/attendances/sphere of influence by their own efforts, not for theoretical/"potential" progress. London Broncos have been around for nearly 50 years, and in their current guise for around 30 years, but are currently playing in front of around 400 fans, the "potential" there is imaginary.'"
Good point. I'd not thought about how big Bradford is to be able to host two teams
And yes I said it the wrong way round. Wakefield are penalised rather than Fev benefit.
Your point about London shows the issue though. A new franchise will get location points but they won't get the grade A without the core criteria and will lose on attendance, fan base for digital and league performance
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| Quote: PopTart "Good point. I'd not thought about how big Bradford is to be able to host two teams
And yes I said it the wrong way round. Wakefield are penalised rather than Fev benefit.
Your point about London shows the issue though. A new franchise will get location points but they won't get the grade A without the core criteria and will lose on attendance, fan base for digital and league performance'"
Bradford and Keighley are in the same local authority so it might be split between then
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Bradford and Keighley are in the same local authority so it might be split between then'"
It does. But when split they are still above the top threshold. Same as Leeds and Hunslet if Hunslet are promoted.
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| Quote: PopTart "Oh well if you are going to contradict me with actual facts there is no hope!
I even read that too. I need to work on that.'"
Trust me, it's nice to discuss IMG etc on a RL forum with someone who has actually read the handbook!
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| Quote: The Phantom Horseman "Trust me, it's nice to discuss IMG etc on a RL forum with someone who has actually read the handbook!'"
Is the IMG handbook as long a read as Tolstoys War and Peace. Just asking
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| Already committed to next season through the pay monthly scheme for me n the boss , and will do while ever this offer is open for the foreseeable and Seriously can’t wait to park my bum in the new stand. Never thought I’d say I look forwards to sitting down been an avid stand up fan all these years , but Father Time catches up with us all , and walking back to the car like a robot is getting a bit laborious now . Those sneak peeks of the inside of the stand is stuff we could only dream about only a few years ago .
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Quote: KevW60349 "Is the IMG handbook as long a read as Tolstoys War and Peace. Just asking'"
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... %20Version).pdf
It's 65 pages but they're big pages in PDF format with just a couple of paragraphs in big fonts on most pages, and about 30 pages are the appendix of how they are going to judge the social media viewership numbers - honestly you could get the gist of the main body of it in 10 or 15 minutes.
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Quote: KevW60349 "Is the IMG handbook as long a read as Tolstoys War and Peace. Just asking'"
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... %20Version).pdf
It's 65 pages but they're big pages in PDF format with just a couple of paragraphs in big fonts on most pages, and about 30 pages are the appendix of how they are going to judge the social media viewership numbers - honestly you could get the gist of the main body of it in 10 or 15 minutes.
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| Quote: The Phantom Horseman "https
I shall have a go at reading it then, hopefully i will be enlightened .
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| Quote: Kettykat "Already committed to next season through the pay monthly scheme for me n the boss , and will do while ever this offer is open for the foreseeable and Seriously can’t wait to park my bum in the new stand. Never thought I’d say I look forwards to sitting down been an avid stand up fan all these years , but Father Time catches up with us all , and walking back to the car like a robot is getting a bit laborious now . Those sneak peeks of the inside of the stand is stuff we could only dream about only a few years ago .'"
Sneak peeks? Where have you seen them, can you post them onto here? I’m still waiting for the member shareholders grand tour.
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| Quote: KevW60349 "I shall have a go at reading it then, hopefully i will be enlightened .'"
I doubt that Kev.......
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